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Lenovo PC boss: 4 in 5 of our devices will be repairable by 2025

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Re: Lenovo PC boss: 4 in 5 of our devices will be repairable by 2025

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Post by chx »

autoexec wrote: post #60

Friendly reminder that Lenovo has repeatedly shipped laptops infested with malware and backdoors ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenovo#Security_and_privacy_in... ) sometimes doing so in exchange for money. They've also hidden malware in UEFI so that even reformatting your hard drive wouldn't help. In one case, after they were found out they first claimed "we have thoroughly investigated this technology and do not fi…

this is just propaganda

that was consumer side Lenovo laptops, IdeaPad and the like 7+ years ago. They learned their lesson and even there don't do it any more.

This didn't affect ThinkPads.

Every time Lenovo is mentioned someone brings this up and I am thoroughly sick of it.

Re: Lenovo PC boss: 4 in 5 of our devices will be repairable by 2025

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Post by vorpalhex »

chx wrote: post #61
autoexec wrote: post #60

Friendly reminder that Lenovo has repeatedly shipped laptops infested with malware and backdoors ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenovo#Security_and_privacy_in... ) sometimes doing so in exchange for money. They've also hidden malware in UEFI so that even reformatting your hard drive wouldn't help. In one case, after they were found out they first claimed "we have thoroughly investigated this technology and do not fi…

this is just propaganda that was consumer side Lenovo laptops, IdeaPad and the like 7+ years ago. They learned their lesson and even there don't do it any more. This didn't affect ThinkPads. Every time Lenovo is mentioned someone brings this up and I am thoroughly sick of it.

My Lenovo android tablet started installing adware suddenly, more than a year after purchase. This was a clean device with a single program and the adware came with.. Lenovo ads.

Yeah I think it's fair to say Lenovo is still no good here.

Re: Lenovo PC boss: 4 in 5 of our devices will be repairable by 2025

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Post by miohtama »

chx wrote: post #61
autoexec wrote: post #60

Friendly reminder that Lenovo has repeatedly shipped laptops infested with malware and backdoors ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenovo#Security_and_privacy_in... ) sometimes doing so in exchange for money. They've also hidden malware in UEFI so that even reformatting your hard drive wouldn't help. In one case, after they were found out they first claimed "we have thoroughly investigated this technology and do not fi…

this is just propaganda that was consumer side Lenovo laptops, IdeaPad and the like 7+ years ago. They learned their lesson and even there don't do it any more. This didn't affect ThinkPads. Every time Lenovo is mentioned someone brings this up and I am thoroughly sick of it.

Lenovo got fined for $3.5M for installing spyware that hijacks HTTPS connections, so it’s a bit stretch to call it propaganda

https://www.zdnet.com/article/lenovo-receives-3-5m-fine-for-...

When a company engages to such deceptive business and outright illegal business practices, there is little reason to trust them for a decade or two until we can be sure everyone who worked there by the time is gone.

Re: Lenovo PC boss: 4 in 5 of our devices will be repairable by 2025

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Post by freedomben »

HumblyTossed wrote: post #59
isykt wrote: post #37

I always hear about how modern laptops and smartphones “aren’t repairable” and then I spent a week in Shenzhen.. where there were floors and floors of independent repair people doing specialized fixes to the most intricate parts. I had an old Apple Watch repair for about $20, only to discover that I got ripped off — I could have negotiated it down to much less.

Repairable means I can replace most major components in my laptop (wifi, ram, battery, SSD, BT, etc) with nothing more than a torx and screw driver. No soldering, or specialized equipment.

This is obviously somewhat subjective, but to me soldering does not disqualify something being "repairable", unless it requires a proprietary soldering machine or something. What you're describing sounds "modular"

Re: Lenovo PC boss: 4 in 5 of our devices will be repairable by 2025

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Post by Run_DOS_Run »

Lenovo's repairability of their products has unfortunately dropped a lot and I hope they take it seriously and get back to the quality they used to have. I own several ThinkPads from the last 10 years. The older models were all very easy to repair.

I definitely won't be buying the new models anymore. I can live with the fact that socketed CPUs have been replaced with soldered ones due to aesthetics (thinner laptops), but soldered RAM is where my pain threshold is reached.

I still believe that quality products must be repairable. I consider everything else to be cheap, throwaway products. No matter how much money "premium brands" charge for their junk with glued battery, glued SSD and fixed RAM in recycled aluminium packaging.

Re: Lenovo PC boss: 4 in 5 of our devices will be repairable by 2025

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Post by freedomben »

bsmith wrote: post #16
dmoy wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I want is a frame.work equivalent repairable and parts-replaceable smartphone. I know it's not practical right now because the commodity and consumer-purchaseable parts that go into a framework laptop don't exist for a smartphone analog right now, and the phone would probably be unacceptably large for most people. But I'd buy it if I could just replace the flash myself every 3-5 years, battery every 2-3 years, e…

What's wrong with the Fairphone?

For people in the US it's not really available. Also phone vs laptop. While there is some overlap, I think of the two as different devices for different use cases.

Re: Lenovo PC boss: 4 in 5 of our devices will be repairable by 2025

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Post by freedomben »

PumpkinSpice wrote: post #31

Isn't this a bit of a no-op for Lenovo specifically? I've been using Lenovo-made laptops for years, and never had trouble with DIY repairs - replacing keyboards, screens, batteries, adding RAM, etc. Their devices are pretty modular and DIY-friendly. I wish they made charging plugs easier to replace, as these inevitably get damaged after 1-2 years, but that's really the only complaint I can think of. Is the situation…

No. Some lines are definitely better than others (like I only buy the T-series now), but some are on the same level of Apple minus the hardware DRM

Re: Lenovo PC boss: 4 in 5 of our devices will be repairable by 2025

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Post by freedomben »

pmarreck wrote: post #55

https://frame.work/ : Already exists

Prior to Framework I only bought Thinkpads (I'm a linux user), but framework has gotten really good. They've added a lot of fixes/polish from their first gen models, and I'm super excited for the future!

Re: Lenovo PC boss: 4 in 5 of our devices will be repairable by 2025

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Post by mschuster91 »

bkallus wrote: post #49
CaveTech wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope, and it's more and more common. I had to trash a $2k monitor due to faulty USB C connector. They require full board replacement.

What stops you from desoldering the bad connector and soldering on a new one?

SMD rework sucks if you're not used to it.

Re: Lenovo PC boss: 4 in 5 of our devices will be repairable by 2025

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Post by imglorp »

autoexec wrote: post #60

Friendly reminder that Lenovo has repeatedly shipped laptops infested with malware and backdoors ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenovo#Security_and_privacy_in... ) sometimes doing so in exchange for money. They've also hidden malware in UEFI so that even reformatting your hard drive wouldn't help. In one case, after they were found out they first claimed "we have thoroughly investigated this technology and do not fi…

Would the UEFI malware affect a non-windows OS installed on that machine?
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