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Re: Krita fund has no corporate support

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Are they really paying a full time developer only 3000 €/month?

it should be noted that european developer salaries are SIGNIFICANTLY lower than US ones. US dev salaries have been completely skewed by stupid levels of VC money. European ones not so much.

With 3,000 Euro / month you can roughly employ someone making 2,400 Euro / month pre-tax (gross) in Germany. That's supermarket cashier money.

And only if you pinch pennies (there's just a ~100 Euro margin here after unavoidable costs). The rule of thumb in Germany is that an employee is going to cost you roughly 1.7x their gross salary: that'd be wages of 1,700 Euro / month.

The latter is going to pay for 1/4th of a decent software developer - and even then you're better promising more than 30 paid vacation days among other benefits.

Basically: forget about it.

Re: Krita fund has no corporate support

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I want someone to build this: SBOM (Software Bill of Materials) are slowly becoming ubiquitus around the world due to regulation. I want to be able to aggregate all SBOMs within my company, have a small tool that scans my machine and creates a SBOM for all Open Source tools I use (e.g. Firefox, VLC etc.), uploads that to my corporate registry. This data is then submitted to a donation aggregator which analyzes those…

Say more about this SBOM regulation. Do you have an EN standard or something you can point me to?

https://cyclonedx.org/

Re: Krita fund has no corporate support

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I'm migrating from Krita to Photoshop lately. Don't get me wrong, I love Krita. I used it for years and I wrote ~30+ bug reports. It's a positive thing -- I won't bother reporting bugs to Adobe cause I know they don't care, unlike Krita devs. However every time I need to collaborate with someone else, they use Photoshop. They use .psd like it's an interchangeable format[1]. Out of 10+ artists I've only seen one who d…

I feel this pain. Photoshop is such a massive beast and really doesn't do anything for me that other programs don't. It's just too ubiquitous to work around without literally budgeting in your hours for having to work around it. -_-

Re: Krita fund has no corporate support

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I'm migrating from Krita to Photoshop lately. Don't get me wrong, I love Krita. I used it for years and I wrote ~30+ bug reports. It's a positive thing -- I won't bother reporting bugs to Adobe cause I know they don't care, unlike Krita devs. However every time I need to collaborate with someone else, they use Photoshop. They use .psd like it's an interchangeable format[1]. Out of 10+ artists I've only seen one who d…

Why not Affinity Designer/Photo?

Perhaps it's a just me, but I've never met someone who uses Affinity Photo as their main digital painting app. The one artist who doesn't use PS actually uses Clip Studio Paint.

I'm not saying it's not a great app (I'm not familiar with it enough to judge it). But if I'm not using an open source one, I'd use the industry standard one.

Re: Krita fund has no corporate support

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I genuinely wonder how much that anime waifu logo is costing the project

But that's what it's for. Same story as Photoshop and GIMP splash screens.

I didn't think you meant that literally, but after paging through a few tens of google image search results for "krita samples", it seems the only thing Krita is actually used by people for is fantasy art.

Compare to "corel painter samples" where the 2nd thumbnail is a fairly impressive Audrey Hepburn rendition

Can't remember the last time I saw output of the style from the first search result being used to sell pretty much anything

Re: Krita fund has no corporate support

#46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it should be noted that european developer salaries are SIGNIFICANTLY lower than US ones. US dev salaries have been completely skewed by stupid levels of VC money. European ones not so much.

Alternatively they've been completely skewed by the profit margins of the big software companies, where it turns out they print money regardless of how high payroll gets. As supporting evidence, VC funded startups pay less than said software companies. It's interesting that Europe has abjectly failed to produce anything like Google or Meta. I'm not sure what the underlying reason for that is.

> It's interesting that Europe has abjectly failed to produce anything like Google or Meta. I'm not sure what the underlying reason for that is.

There isn't a singular reason, it's a complex combination. Btw I'd like to preface this to say I'm not sure most Europeans actually want a Google or a Meta, there is aversion to "too big to fail" companies in most sectors.

* investment money - VCs bet on tons of stupid things with the hope of some of them making it. Many a crappy business model has received hundreds of millions of investments to try and make it, and companies spend years chasing growth on the back of those investments without worrying about profitability. Investment in the EU is usually more conservative and grounded in reality - a business model of "we'll give it away at a loss for 10 years to get lots of market share and then increase prices to capture the market" simply won't fly here.

* "Europe" isn't a single market in most important senses of that word. Each EU country has it's own language (okay there's some overlap like Czech and Slovak, Belgium and France/Netherlands, Ireland and UK before Brexit, but generally), laws, regulations. A single business can't just immediately serve the whole of the EU without doing due diligence, translations, checking what regulations might apply for them, etc. That means that the size of the potential market is limited from the start without extra investment. A French startup can only sell in France until they figure out what is needed to sell in the Spanish market, translate websites/products, hire support people that speak Spanish, etc. etc. etc. There are tons of good quality decently successful European startups, but most stay within one or a few countries. Exceptions are purely digital companies such as Spotify who can afford to sell all around the world with relatively few hurdles.

* Regulations and common decency/fear - over here, a business model of "we'll fake sell medical devices" or "we'll trick people into giving us all their movements/desires/internet history and sell that to whoever wants it" will hardly fly. Not that there aren't unscrupulous people here, there are, but it'd be harder to get investment and talent to work for you.

* Better... I'm going to go with social safety net, but that's only a part of it. Over here, people are generally more content and know they have things to fall back on, including retirement. FIRE (Financial Independence, Retire Early), "grind mindset", "hustle mindset" and similar are quite rare here. People prioritise other things than work, don't live to work, and don't measure themselves (only) on work. So hustling to hit big and become massive is much more rarely seen as a good or desired thing.

People often deride the EU for "lacking innovation", but IMO that's flat out wrong - those people use wrong measurements (lack of massive tech giants) to define innovation. There are tons of European startups and scaleups and mittelstands and b2b companies of all sizes that are successful and innovative. They're just not "infinite growth" global behemots, but.. do they need to be? Is that the thing that ultimately matters?

Re: Krita fund has no corporate support

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe a stupid question, but if Krita can read/write .psd then why does this matter?

Because just like the most "open source app reading/writing proprietary format" scenarios, it doesn't do it perfectly. Even if you simply import a .psd and re-export it again as-is, it will still break things like smart objects and layer blending options. It's not Krita's fault: .psd is not an interchangeable format. Implementing .psd support perfectly is basically implementing the whole PS itself. It's all the artis…

And I believe .psd is still the only "raw" common format for artistic drawing, right?

I've once seen a .psd that won't display correctly in neither Ps or CSP, supposedly because it was exported from something else. That didn't seem like a fun situation.

Re: Krita fund has no corporate support

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That's just sad. Open Source support really needs to be normalized in corporate environment. Now it's more of an exception than the rule.

I agree, but in this particular case i have to ask... how many companies are actually USING Krita? My impression is that the vast majority of places that need software like that use Adobe Photoshop/Illustrator, or Affinity Photo/Designer.

> how many companies are actually USING Krita?

Assuming a product that advertises its lack of corporate support won’t be super welcoming of commercial users.

Re: Krita fund has no corporate support

#49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it should be noted that european developer salaries are SIGNIFICANTLY lower than US ones. US dev salaries have been completely skewed by stupid levels of VC money. European ones not so much.

Alternatively they've been completely skewed by the profit margins of the big software companies, where it turns out they print money regardless of how high payroll gets. As supporting evidence, VC funded startups pay less than said software companies. It's interesting that Europe has abjectly failed to produce anything like Google or Meta. I'm not sure what the underlying reason for that is.

> they've been completely skewed by the profit margins of the big software companies

This is correct. VC-backed companies aren’t leading base compensation gains.

Re: Krita fund has no corporate support

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I'm migrating from Krita to Photoshop lately. Don't get me wrong, I love Krita. I used it for years and I wrote ~30+ bug reports. It's a positive thing -- I won't bother reporting bugs to Adobe cause I know they don't care, unlike Krita devs. However every time I need to collaborate with someone else, they use Photoshop. They use .psd like it's an interchangeable format[1]. Out of 10+ artists I've only seen one who d…

Hate defacto standards behind corporations.

M$ Windows, Photoshop, each company gets locked into their own CAD nightmare.

On the flip slide, we have Blender, Linux Server, (enough)SQL, Git, Stable Diffusion, and maybe python/python libraries if that counts.

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