This strategy has been adopted by eBay as well and artificially drives up prices. Let me elaborate. Recently, eBay has made it so that only the products with paid ads are shown in places where customers click. This drives up the cost of everything by more than 10% which is eBay's ad fee. I refused to buy a paid ad to sell my MacBook. It sat on the site for a month, which is highly unusual for an in-demand and rightly…
> Finally I lowered the price enough to get it sold. How much did you have to lower the price by? How did that compare to the ad-ransom you would have had to pay?
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#622This strategy has been adopted by eBay as well and artificially drives up prices. Let me elaborate. Recently, eBay has made it so that only the products with paid ads are shown in places where customers click. This drives up the cost of everything by more than 10% which is eBay's ad fee. I refused to buy a paid ad to sell my MacBook. It sat on the site for a month, which is highly unusual for an in-demand and rightly…
Craigslist exists and used to be the main go to for stuff like that. We gotta get the eyeballs back on craigslist
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Yes, that doesn’t mean the corporate media doesn’t have a huge amount of influence due to their consolidation. Technical ability to communicate is not the only factor in power of reach. I’m not sure how else to explain it.
And yet, without any media support, civil rights leaders were able to effect change in the 60s. Maybe people these days are just lazy?
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There’s no “entire process” you can target. You going to pass a law on how every company can raise prices? Impossible No, the actual way is to go company by company and dismantle them. And by Starting with the biggest it sends a message to others that perhaps they should change before they too get broken up. So by killing a few prominent hostages the system ends up changing “on its own.”
> No, the actual way is to go company by company and dismantle them. And by Starting with the biggest it sends a message to others that perhaps they should change before they too get broken up. You will never finish if you go company by company, there’s just too many. Additionally no company ever stops anything until forced to. Your suggestions will not solve anything.
So what's the solution?
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And yet, without any media support, civil rights leaders were able to effect change in the 60s. Maybe people these days are just lazy?
Maybe they're just propagandized to death and don't know what they don't know.
Not to mention the whole era of McCarthyism
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According to the FTC's lawsuit, Amazon no longer binds its sellers with a Most Favored Nation clause. Instead, Amazon now will refuse to promote an offer in its "buy box" space if it detects a lower price for that good on another website. The FTC alleges that this simply reconstitutes the MFA since most sales on Amazon take place from the buy box. Amazon responds that it is within its rights to not promote uncompetit…
> Amazon responds that it is within its rights to not promote uncompetitive offers Sounds to me like Amazon has found a loophole in the law. It agrees to list anything for sale, with no anti competitive conditions, but then only recommends customers buy things that it believes are in the customers best interests. The FTC will struggle to argue that is illegal. Amazon can't be compelled to recommend stuff. (free speec…
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Again have you heard of the Kirkland’s brand? Have you been to a CVS and seen the knockoffs? Literally every single major retailer has house brands that compete with third parties.
Your "What about Kirkland" -ism is irrelevant. A big company can stall a copyright lawsuit for as long as it wants. Small companies cannot win against a large compamy like Amazon in court. https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1986-07-14-fi-19337-... Especially when they can just twist the court system however they wish. Small victories like the chain wrench lawsuit against Sears happen. But they are rare. https://…
And CVS follows the formula of name brand OTC drugs down to the very ingrediant to make house brands. You can’t copyright a shirt measurement.
And before you call me an “Amazon shill”. I got PIPed from Amazon less than two months ago. I’m the last person who has any love for Amazon. Honestly I don’t have any feeling either way. It was just my 8th job over 25 years, they gave me a nice check and I had a comparable offer within two weeks.
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Governments' and companies incentives are highly different. I live in Turkey where not every service is corporate like it is in the US. I can see in practice that a competitor service offered by government happens to be that real competition which drags the prices down.
So has the Turkish government created a cell phone? A search engine? A popular e-commerce store?
I wrote a letter to our Presidency asking about these other things you mentioned last week.
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Say Amazon offers three items all equivalent: one is priced at $9 and two are priced at $9.50 all are Prime. If the vendor for the $9 offers it for $8.50 elsewhere and Amazon starts focusing on a $9.50 offer is that "better for the consumer"? If the $9 doesn't exist and there are two vendors at the $9.50 price and one has a higher review history but offers it lower elsewhere is Amazon making things better by focusing…
The "buy box" is a product-level feature, not a seller-level feature. On any given product page, there may be multiple sellers with offers (one for $9, two for $9.50). The $9 offer would be prominently displayed in the buy box and the other two would be in the "other offers" section. If another site starts selling the same product for $8.50 (regardless of who the seller is), Amazon may hide the buy box and put all th…
Is buying from the buy box ever to the customers advantage?
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I vouched for this and un-flagged it. I find most of your content here to not have any good follow-through. Amazon isn't just some software on a few servers. It's a whole vertical enterprise. Suggesting that some front-end and back-end servers can take the place of warehouses, delivery people, fleets of machines (served by AWS no less), payment companies, 3rd party billing is just laughable, and shows the naivete of…
Thanks for un-flagging. How does one become an admin on this site, anyway? I've been active since 2008 but still get dinged for stuff, not sure for what in advance. Yep, I think we are in agreement. My point is that for many decades, the government was barely able to make the prices drop. And then open protocols like VoIP did it in a couple years. I am a libertarian and believe that good open-source software and open…
Youve got 7k karma so you should also be able to vouch. Just make sure "showdead" is on in your settings.
As to the subject matter:
> Yep, I think we are in agreement. My point is that for many decades, the government was barely able to make the prices drop. And then open protocols like VoIP did it in a couple years.
Mostly, but probably not on the actual mechanisms. I do agree that government's breakup of Ma Bell really made everything worse. And how it was broken up went from 1 monopoly to 20+ monopolies. The end user really just saw stuff stay bad or worse. Now, myself being an anti-capitalist, would have looked at this situation, and go "Well, communication networks are an integral part of national security, and should be nationalized, since this company was abusing the people", and would have federalized it under a nonprofit charter.
As to claiming that VoIP helped supplant - nah. People got their taste with dialup of the internet, and at a whole 4.3KB/s , and wanted faster. A 3 minute (3MB) song was 11 minutes to download... and Napster. Dialup was stagnating, and the telcos were being slow about DSL. I saw DSL eventually, cable networks, and WISPs pop up like weeds everywhere, because more and more killer apps were showing up. And frankly, at the time, Piracy was the killer app. Bittorrent, Kazaa, Gnutella, Napster.
> I am a libertarian and believe that good open-source software and open protocols cause the centralized services to face a free market of incumbents. Much of the vertically integrated systems can be unbundled.
That's the problem with the unbundling. That's not a software or code issue. That's a money issue, primarily with folks who have piles of money can force things others dont want.
And with vertical industries, it's never been a user-level experience in unbundling. To really force the issue, it goes back to the government to force it. And the US doesnt have a good track history in doing that well. This problem is always been a coordination issue, where larger monoliths can do well from a dictatorial governance (companies).
> Another great example is how the Web (HTTP was the open protocol) disrupted AOL, MSN, CompuServe etc. Or how Wikipedia disrupted Britannica and Encarta. How Apache and NGiNX disrupted IIS. And so on.
It's disingenuous to lump all those together.
The "Web" was a group of academics and governments, that finally agreed to let capitalist and commercial groups in on 1993. And those groups also included corporate private networks like the ones you listed.
Wikipedia was the first real test of anonymous and user-level editing across a website, under newly created Wiki software. Sure, the 2 encyclopedias were killed by Wikipedia, but Wikipedia only hastened their death. Bulk books like encyclopedias were already declining. However, we learned a great deal about the ills of letting users edit webpages like encyclopedias realtime. And we're still fighting with those problems. (for example, you'd never see the "lists of Jews", aside a few high profile people in a proper encyclopedia, but here it is.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_Jews )
You mention "disrupt IIS"... and I'm here on my work laptop with 2 IIS consoles open. Free is going to win out cost-wise, for things like startups and hobbists. But there's lots of industries who've developed and maintain in IIS. And in my industry, I'm not permitted to use NGiNX.
> Basically, we need standardized, open protocols. Maybe one day OpenStreetMap and Mastodon and BlueSky will disrupt their centralized alternatives. In any case, the first step is to have open source software and federation. I'm not saying it's the only thing that needs to happen, but FBA and many other services can be done "sharded" per-product. We can do the same for other marketplaces, like Uber, Fiverr, etc.
First, BlueSky is closed source proprietary spun off from Xwitter's former CEO.
I'm not seeing it. Well, a part I do. Having the software to start doing stuff your own direction is a good start. But much of this isn't a software problem. Its a logistics and integration problem, with a massive vertical integration across the whole thing.
Amazon's probably too big to break up. The individual pieces don't make that much sense individually. That's why I'm for taking control of said organization at the C level and BoD level, and start disassembling the illegal parts from the top down under full transparency and oversight. Maybe that'll be enough to scare other companies engaged in extreme monopolistic practices that thhink they are "too big to fail", will just be eminent domained.