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US startup begins producing 40%-efficient thermophotovoltaic cells

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We already have a fusion reactor at a relatively safe distance called the sun.

We also have this thing called night, as well as weather and seasons.

And we also have this looming thing called climate emergency, which should conceivably motivate us to forge ahead with renewables and adjust our energy usage patterns to match production peaks, lest we doom humanity to extinction

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I believe we will build a functional net energy gain fusion reactor probably in the next decade if things go well (I’m rooting for SPARC), but we will still need to build an actual power plant (designed for long life, serviceability, improve efficiency based on what was learned before) and that will take a while. And then we need to build lots of them. And they will be very expensive. Probably fusion power will not b…

Even if fusion was widely available and affordable you will still want other sources of power for peak demand. Like fission nuclear reactors, they will be good for base power-load. Fusion reactors won't be able to spin up and down based on demand willy nilly. Given most demand is during the day and early evening solar is a good complement, but the more mixed renewals you have in your grid the better it will tolerate…

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Re: US startup begins producing 40%-efficient thermophotovoltaic cells

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I don't get why they go for storage with this. Storing a block of carbon or tungsten at 2000°C for hours or days does not sound like something that will ever be economical. A battery leaking energy this quickly (and it will leak₎ will need to be incredibly cheap to ever make sense. I wonder if you could use this with parabolic mirrors, though. Build a large mirror array, focus sunlight onto a big carbon sphere (maybe…

Carbon or tungsten I don't know, but sand as a thermal energy storage medium can be quite economical. Energy loss scales with the surface area (^2), energy stored with volume (^3).

With grid scale, above certain dimensions, you can store energy for months while maintaining economic viability.

Even for single days or weeks it makes sense. You need hot water in your home 24/7, but sun doesn't shine every day in most regions.

Re: US startup begins producing 40%-efficient thermophotovoltaic cells

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I don't get why they go for storage with this. Storing a block of carbon or tungsten at 2000°C for hours or days does not sound like something that will ever be economical. A battery leaking energy this quickly (and it will leak₎ will need to be incredibly cheap to ever make sense. I wonder if you could use this with parabolic mirrors, though. Build a large mirror array, focus sunlight onto a big carbon sphere (maybe…

Couldn't it be just a shell of carbon or tungsten, but the bulk of material inside be molten sand, or something else "dirt cheap"?

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There are betavoltaic generators [1] that directly produce electricity from decay electrons using p-n junctions (similar to photovoltaic cells). However, in the vast majority of applications, they get outperformed by modern lithium batteries (i.e. coin cells). [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betavoltaic_device

How can you compare a generator to a battery? How do you charge the battery without a generator?

I believe GP means a disposable battery that you replace with a new one when it's empty. Not a rechargeable battery.

Re: US startup begins producing 40%-efficient thermophotovoltaic cells

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I don't get why they go for storage with this. Storing a block of carbon or tungsten at 2000°C for hours or days does not sound like something that will ever be economical. A battery leaking energy this quickly (and it will leak₎ will need to be incredibly cheap to ever make sense. I wonder if you could use this with parabolic mirrors, though. Build a large mirror array, focus sunlight onto a big carbon sphere (maybe…

You won't get the claimed efficiency that way: it only applies to an enclosed heat source. It's critical that they're reflecting light outside of the PV bandgap back into the thermal mass, where it's re-absorbed and re-emitted again.

If you try that with solar radiation, you'll lose most of it back into the sky.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-04473-y.pdf

(Equation 1 and surrounding discussion, and the energy-flow diagrams in Figure 1).

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Moonlight is ~1 mW/m^2, so good luck with that.

I was thinking you could cover the moon in rotating mirrors to redirect the light to solar panels. And if they can be controlled independently, you can tweak them and basically use the surface of the moon as a giant display, who wouldn't want the moon to look like a giant Apple logo?

The moon also ends up in shadow about half the time.

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Stupid question: could this be used underground in volcanic areas like Iceland?

Stupid answer: probably not as far as I can tell.

My understanding is that to get those kinds of temperatures from geothermal you need to drill to currently infeasible depths.

But you don’t need those kinds of temperatures from a geothermal resource to make it very cost-competitive.

Re: US startup begins producing 40%-efficient thermophotovoltaic cells

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I don't get why they go for storage with this. Storing a block of carbon or tungsten at 2000°C for hours or days does not sound like something that will ever be economical. A battery leaking energy this quickly (and it will leak₎ will need to be incredibly cheap to ever make sense. I wonder if you could use this with parabolic mirrors, though. Build a large mirror array, focus sunlight onto a big carbon sphere (maybe…

Possibly this is targeting trying to make solar thermal storage work again; focus sunlight onto an object and then extract the energy later in the evening as it cools. There are a few of these plants around but they're getting beaten economically by good old PV+batteries.
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