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Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by kaba0 »

dr_kretyn wrote: post #413
kaba0 wrote: post #294

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> lot of people I know tend to get new phones well before they actually have a need for them It might just be your “bubble”, but even if not, is it really that bad of a deal? If you resell your previous phone at 2/3 the original price each year, you can use the latest phone for like 200 bucks for a year, or $17 monthly. For a device that is with you 0-24, and is probably the most often used item a typical person owns…

Definitely not only his bubble. Most people with apple I know will do that.

May I assume you work in IT and from a Western country?

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by guappa »

vel0city wrote: post #617
ethbr1 wrote: post #554

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Do that many people need their phone to be waterproof rated? I realize it's mandatory from a marketing perspective, but how often is it used? Accidentally jumping in the pool/ocean/lake with your phone. But past that, I'm not often in submerged situations.

Funny you say this when I was just in a pretty bad rainstorm tonight and got absolutely soaked. I've lost a couple of portable devices getting drenched like that in the past but this time it was just the USB-C port wouldn't charge for an hour while it dried out. So yeah I would have needed a new phone tomorrow if it wasn't for my phone being waterproof. This kind of stuff happens all the time. I've lost many things f…

I live in a very rainy city, I got soaked several times.

I never once lost a phone to water damage, despite most of the phones I've owned not being waterproof.

My pocket made of regular fabric seems to be sufficient protection.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by walteweiss »

kelnos wrote: post #222
thefz wrote: post #194

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> Don't you think that three phones in six years is the issue? One (P3) ended with me having it in the back pocket of my jeans and literally jumping in the backseat... yeah, not smart. Another (P4a), I tried to open to swap a new battery in and it did not end well. I'd still happily be with the 4a if it was not for my dumb self. It's perfectly working and I use it to listen to some music while biking or at the gym. I…

Would you still be with it, though? Someone upthread claims the phones just don't last. Maybe if you hadn't broken your phones, they still wouldn't've lasted much longer anyway. Having said that, I'm still using my 4-year-old Pixel 4, and it's in great shape. I'll probably get a new phone this year since it's no longer receiving security updates. Which is stupid, because I'm otherwise perfectly happy with the phone.…

Have you considered flashing something like LineageOS? The Pixel line is well supported.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by kaba0 »

dotancohen wrote: post #363
tap-snap-or-nap wrote: post #303

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> People on average change their phones every 3 years People in my circles seem to use their phones for 6-7 years atleast.

And those people are the reason that the average is three years, instead of one year like the teenagers do.

Your bubble is showing again — only rich parents’ kids buy a new phone yearly.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by dlubarov »

scarface_74 wrote: post #593
soulofmischief wrote: post #544

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No, it's not unfair at all. Apple's gotten busted for this exact thing and had to shell out $500 million in damages. https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/apple-to-start-paying-out-5... > I really have a hard time with a realistic business model that would be significantly better. Well this one might be good for business, but as you can see, it is extremely bad for the individual.

Did you even read your own citation? Apple slowed down older phones when the battery degraded because the other choice was the phone would shut off.

That's Apple's claim, yes.

But if they were genuinely just concerned about battery health, and not about their sales numbers, then why do the throttling covertly? Why not tell the user that throttling was happening, that it was related to power issues, and that they should consider a replacement battery?

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by mda »

wg0 wrote: post #625
kimbernator wrote: post #178

It's starting to feel silly, having a yearly release cycle for smartphones. So much of this product page is focused on new software functions that may have some vague relationship with the slightly upgraded hardware, but that could mostly be released to existing phones. Every new iPhone, Pixel, or Samsung phone basically claims the camera is marginally better and hey, look at these software features that have very li…

And - price is ridiculously high. $1000+ for what? I don't know about others but my phone camera is only used for scanning QR codes rarely or taking occasional pictures of family (not a picture every hour) which even lower range phones (300 USD or so) do damn decent given it's not dark. My 98% of the usage is to read something. Some website, email or ebook. Why do I need 120 Hz display for that? Gaming? That's always…

Many people takes thousands of pictures / videos with their phones yearly.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by mda »

Alacart wrote: post #84
andrewstuart2 wrote: post #3

I'm really glad to see both the partnership with iFixit and the 7 years of support. Because everything else seems mostly meh to me, and while I'm upgrading this year from a Pixel 6 Pro, the continued diminished returns make it seem likely that 2-3 years from now I won't have as much reason to.

My experience with my own pixel 7 pro and a pixel 5 has been that these devices are an order of magnitude lower in build quality than Samsung or iPhones. I really, really wanted to be happy with them but they've been a never ending source of frustration. My pixel 5 just stopped turning on one day about 2 years in, and my pixel 7 pro had the volume and power buttons fall out about 3 weeks in (not due to a drop, after…

If anecdotes matter, my family use 5 pixel 6/7/7a phones and I have never seen a single build issue.

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Post by vladvasiliu »

winter_blue wrote: post #635
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #192

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It's funny because if they did not release a new phone every year, the old phones would be useful for longer. I recently had to replace my iPhone 7s plus because it was getting so slow I sometimes could not get the camera to open as it loaded the system down too much. This was despite the fact that the system said my battery was not degraded (it had been replaced with Apple Care a couple of times). Of course when it…

> Of course when it was new the camera opened quickly. And then Apple made their OS more heavy weight every year until my phone slowed to a crawl. Realistically what exactly could it be doing more on startup, that would slow it down so much? I wonder if there’s code that simply intentionally slows it down. Like the Camera app calculating the value of PI for some number of digits before opening up. There would be a ma…

There would be such an incentive, yes, and even more: set the number of digits to compute as proportional to the age of the model.

But haven't those anecdotes been debunked already? A counter-anecdote is my non-plus iphone 7 with whatever the latest ios it supports (15 something IIRC) that opens the camera as quickly as when it was new. Apart from Apple Maps, which never worked well for some reason, the apps I use don't lag. Google Maps is fine. My motorcycling mapping app (scenic) is fine. Lightroom is fine. Hell, even MS Teams works like it does on newer devices.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by thebruce87m »

dlubarov wrote: post #655
scarface_74 wrote: post #593

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Did you even read your own citation? Apple slowed down older phones when the battery degraded because the other choice was the phone would shut off.

That's Apple's claim, yes. But if they were genuinely just concerned about battery health, and not about their sales numbers, then why do the throttling covertly? Why not tell the user that throttling was happening, that it was related to power issues, and that they should consider a replacement battery?

If they wanted a new sale, why not do nothing and let the phones reboot? Why only target individual handsets with degraded batteries? Why bring the phone back to full speed when the battery was changed? Why does the feature still exist?

The only thing that has changed is they now tell you if it’s happening.

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