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Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Do security updates really matter that much? May be they do depending on your usage patterns. I think anyone will be fine without most of those security updates. Also most of the slowdowns are caused by automatically updating apps which keep gaining weight with every update.

This is a particularly badly-timed comment. Not even a month ago there was a 10/10 severity vulnerability in webp, including Chrome, that could let your phone get pwned by serving it a video, and people have confirmed it is being actively seen in the wild. Security updates absolutely do matter.

You can keep updating Chrome and most apps long after OS updates have ceased.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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post #535

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People have been saying this literally since the release of the pentium and probably earlier. From where I'm sitting software is millions of times better today than it was in the 90s when I first started hearing people saying this(usually complaining about developers using C++ instead of assembly). Even just on the iphone the improvements in software have been dramatic over the past 10 years. Go install one of the ea…

I don't know, Microsoft Word 2.0 started up on a high-end machine of its time faster than Google Docs with its stupid progress bars. My Tesla phone key takes 15+ seconds to connect bluetooth and unlock the car, making me look like a goddamn idiot while I keep yanking the car handle while bystanders stare at me as if I'm a car thief. This stuff should take <0.01s in 2023 by Moore's Law. Computers should work impercept…

Moore’s law has never been about speed - and serial speed has been on a very slow increase rate year-after-year for more than a decade now. The current Microsoft Word can do a million times more things than 2.0.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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post #535

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People have been saying this literally since the release of the pentium and probably earlier. From where I'm sitting software is millions of times better today than it was in the 90s when I first started hearing people saying this(usually complaining about developers using C++ instead of assembly). Even just on the iphone the improvements in software have been dramatic over the past 10 years. Go install one of the ea…

I don't know, Microsoft Word 2.0 started up on a high-end machine of its time faster than Google Docs with its stupid progress bars. My Tesla phone key takes 15+ seconds to connect bluetooth and unlock the car, making me look like a goddamn idiot while I keep yanking the car handle while bystanders stare at me as if I'm a car thief. This stuff should take <0.01s in 2023 by Moore's Law. Computers should work impercept…

Why are you using Google Docs instead of Word 2.0 then?

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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> I wonder how much of that is the software demands increasing and the flash storage itself wearing out over time. As flash storage wears it'll often go slower and slower as the error correction needs to process more to actually get you the uncorrupted bits. This is why a lot of cheap devices tend to just become unbearably slow after a while, their storage just gets to be way too slow. Too bad no flagship phones have…

If we're looking at older phones with removable storage, it usually limited what could be put on the SD card. And in the end the OS and system libraries were still on the on-board storage which would wear out over the years. And there's good reason for the OS not being on a microSD card. Run a Raspberry Pi without locking the storage and see how fast it'll corrupt itself. Most SD cards have pretty miserable reliabili…

Ran a rpi for well > 1yr running Ubuntu server and 3cx off the SD card. Longest uptime was like 90+ days only dropped because my town regularly has power outages. Same card had been in use for a good year prior on another rpi doing a different function. Hasn't missed a beat. SanDisk gold colored one. It's now in another rpi...

Microsd's used to suck(had plenty fail years ago) but it seems like they have gotten pretty good these days.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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It's starting to feel silly, having a yearly release cycle for smartphones. So much of this product page is focused on new software functions that may have some vague relationship with the slightly upgraded hardware, but that could mostly be released to existing phones. Every new iPhone, Pixel, or Samsung phone basically claims the camera is marginally better and hey, look at these software features that have very li…

It's funny because if they did not release a new phone every year, the old phones would be useful for longer. I recently had to replace my iPhone 7s plus because it was getting so slow I sometimes could not get the camera to open as it loaded the system down too much. This was despite the fact that the system said my battery was not degraded (it had been replaced with Apple Care a couple of times). Of course when it…

> Of course when it was new the camera opened quickly. And then Apple made their OS more heavy weight every year until my phone slowed to a crawl.

Realistically what exactly could it be doing more on startup, that would slow it down so much?

I wonder if there’s code that simply intentionally slows it down. Like the Camera app calculating the value of PI for some number of digits before opening up.

There would be a massive financial incentive to do something nefarious like this.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

#636

It's starting to feel silly, having a yearly release cycle for smartphones. So much of this product page is focused on new software functions that may have some vague relationship with the slightly upgraded hardware, but that could mostly be released to existing phones. Every new iPhone, Pixel, or Samsung phone basically claims the camera is marginally better and hey, look at these software features that have very li…

I agree. I was convinced I need to move from an iPhone 14 to iPhone 15.

My reasoning was better camera.

I honestly was going to skip upgrading but the camera and some other minor features were enough for me to make the upgrade happen.

I feel if these companies worked together to cut back on the waste of yearly release cycles, there’d be better environmental results. But every year we have a new feature because tech has caught up with demand.

Not sure what the middle ground is.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

#637

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> I wonder how much of that is the software demands increasing and the flash storage itself wearing out over time. As flash storage wears it'll often go slower and slower as the error correction needs to process more to actually get you the uncorrupted bits. This is why a lot of cheap devices tend to just become unbearably slow after a while, their storage just gets to be way too slow. Too bad no flagship phones have…

If we're looking at older phones with removable storage, it usually limited what could be put on the SD card. And in the end the OS and system libraries were still on the on-board storage which would wear out over the years. And there's good reason for the OS not being on a microSD card. Run a Raspberry Pi without locking the storage and see how fast it'll corrupt itself. Most SD cards have pretty miserable reliabili…

I have an obsolete (with Lineage OS installed) Samsung smartphone with an SD-card. I use it for podcasts and audio books, as it has a jack, and I have a nice non-Bluetooth headphones that I wear most of the time of that listening time. I like to think my internal storage isn’t wearing over and over again, but the SD card, which I can super easily replace any time. Plus, I can replace it with something huge (like extra 128 GB or even more, what is supported) for very cheap. I cannot add extra 128 GB of storage to my iPhone, even if I’m willing to pay the premium. I have just one way: to sell my unit and buy another with more storage.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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post #285

I'm still on the Pixel 3! I can't get off. I bounced off the Pixel 6. It's too big in my hand. The finger print sensor is in a weird spot. Android 13 is more restrictive. And worst? It's not faster or better. It's legitimately a hard _downgrade_ for me. I have 2 Pixel 3s now (microphone died and battery swelled) but they run everything snappy! I might just keep buying Pixel 3s off eBay, its so much cheaper. My main w…

My wife and I are on the pixel 3 still as well. I hate the size of the 8, but that camera sure looks real nice... Her pixel 3 is also starting to shutdown randomly which is concerning since our last phones were the bootlooping nexus 5x.

Yeah, both my Nexus and Pixel 1 had that issue. I lost 6 months photos and other data because of that. Now I continuously backup my entire phone to my file server when on my home wifi, and a whiff of a bootloop gets me rattled.

My current Pixel 3 has done something similar twice, but it's going good so far so

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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post #225

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Windows Mobile and Palm phones were around int the early 2000s. I think they would absolutely need to be included if considering the history of smartphones.

Don’t forget Symbian! I had a NES emulator on my Nokia phone back in the day. Wonderful stuff.

Motorola MPx200 for the win!
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