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Post by tyre »

ccooffee wrote: post #527
stickfigure wrote: post #519

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I've been consistently upgrading every 3 years since the Nexus days and I really don't think I'm missing anything. With trade-in, it ends up being something like $50/yr (I always go for the budget versions). Unless you're already sitting on FU money, I don't understand why anyone would spend more.

> Unless you're already sitting on FU money, I don't understand why anyone would spend more [than $50/yr on phone upgrades]. Among the people I know, there's more people living paycheck to paycheck and getting annual phone upgrades than people with FU money doing upgrades. That said, the percentage of FU money upgraders is higher than the percentage of paycheck-to-paycheck upgraders. Google/Samsung/Apple/etc may be m…

There's a point at which something like a new smartphone isn't a status symbol anymore. Among wealthier people, having an iPhone 11 isn't less of a signal than a day one iPhone 15.

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Post by HJain13 »

justusthane wrote: post #555
smusamashah wrote: post #477

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Do security updates really matter that much? May be they do depending on your usage patterns. I think anyone will be fine without most of those security updates. Also most of the slowdowns are caused by automatically updating apps which keep gaining weight with every update.

Yes, security updates absolutely matter regardless of your usage pattern. You could unwittingly visit a website that has been compromised to exploit a zero-day in your browser. Or receive a malicious text message. Or open a PDF. Or or or.

>You could unwittingly visit a website that has been compromised to exploit a zero-day in your browser.

In Android, browser, messaging app updates and many even system updates are delivered through Play store (long after system/OS updates have stopped for the phone), so attacks will have to be much more sophisticated.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by Dylan16807 »

admax88qqq wrote: post #486
kimbernator wrote: post #316

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"significant" is the key word here. I'd be hard pressed to think of a generational release of an existing phone line in the last 5 years that I would describe as a "significant" improvement. The things you listed (camera and chip speed) are basically the only things left that these companies can claim is better than last year's model, but only because it's so easy to use synthetic benchmarks and numbers that mean not…

And yet compare this years phone to a phone 5 years old. There is a large different. It just so happens that the yearly increase isn't seen as "significant" to you.

When you say "seen as", are you trying to imply that they're wrong? Because what you said can be true without them being wrong at all.

It makes perfect sense that five non-significant changes can add up to a significant change.

So the suggestion would be 1 or 2 releases instead, after more of the changes build up, instead of 5 releases.

Personally I think yearly is fine for manufacturers that only have a couple models. But they need to actually support things for a reasonable lifetime, and should be mocked for having frequent releases if they don't have a good support lifetime.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by dmt0 »

goles wrote: post #506
mcsniff wrote: post #54

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Been holding on to my Pixel 5 with GrapheneOS for a while hoping a smaller Pixel is available. I might consider the non-Pro since it now has a 120Hz screen and is smaller.

Check into the developer of GrapheneOS reputation. From a friend who used to use GrapheneOS and flashed back. You want that guy pushing code to your phone?

Can you elaborate?

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Post by p1necone »

chimeracoder wrote: post #346
vel0city wrote: post #317

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I wonder how much of that is the software demands increasing and the flash storage itself wearing out over time. As flash storage wears it'll often go slower and slower as the error correction needs to process more to actually get you the uncorrupted bits. This is why a lot of cheap devices tend to just become unbearably slow after a while, their storage just gets to be way too slow. Flash storage doesn't last foreve…

> I wonder how much of that is the software demands increasing and the flash storage itself wearing out over time. As flash storage wears it'll often go slower and slower as the error correction needs to process more to actually get you the uncorrupted bits. This is why a lot of cheap devices tend to just become unbearably slow after a while, their storage just gets to be way too slow. Too bad no flagship phones have…

I just don't buy flagship phones, you can get midrange stuff with removable micro sd, oled, >60hz screen etc. Sure the CPU isn't as fast but unless you're playing games it makes almost no difference.

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Post by jmprspret »

goles wrote: post #506
mcsniff wrote: post #54

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Been holding on to my Pixel 5 with GrapheneOS for a while hoping a smaller Pixel is available. I might consider the non-Pro since it now has a 120Hz screen and is smaller.

Check into the developer of GrapheneOS reputation. From a friend who used to use GrapheneOS and flashed back. You want that guy pushing code to your phone?

GrapheneOS has been the target of ongoing personal attacks against the former lead dev. None of the claims are true. GOS devs have been swatted and harassed on multiple occasions.

I suggest you examine the baseless claims against the (former) lead dev more closely - they are fabrication.

(He has been harassed so much, with death threats and the like, that he has recently stepped down as lead dev).

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Post by p1necone »

bpye wrote: post #512
redeeman wrote: post #482

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should just use m.2 2230 nvme. should be user replacable, its okay if it needs to be disassembled and its a 30 minute job, but that would solve a whole lot.

SD Express is PCIe and much smaller, but a full sized SD card still isn’t small. Supposedly microSD Express exists but I’m not sure that I’ve ever seen it…

Aren't the speed constraints on SD cards due to the controllerless single flash chip design rather than the connector format? Unless you also shoved an ssd controller on the SD Express card I can't see it being much of an improvement.

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Post by wilsonnb3 »

dheera wrote: post #540
fomine3 wrote: post #455

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Titanium matters for lightweight that is one of the important spec for some people. They aren't good at advertising this (or don't want to advertise much to make heavier again in the future?)

You wouldn't notice it, the difference in weight between aluminum and titanium phone shell is negligible compared to the weight of the glass, battery, and PCBs combined. Titanium sounds cool, it sounds luxury, it's a marketing hack. Like "aircraft-grade" "space-grade" aluminum. Nobody is launching their aluminum phones at escape velocity. It's 100% for marketing reasons. I have some titanium spoons, I feel into the t…

> You wouldn't notice it, the difference in weight between aluminum and titanium phone shell is negligible compared to the weight of the glass, battery, and PCBs combined.

The previous iPhone Pro's have a stainless steel shell, not aluminum, and the ~30 gram difference is noticeable.

Of course, they caused this problem themselves by using stainless steel rather than aluminum like the regular iPhones, but they are nonetheless solving a problem with the titanium frame.

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Post by jeromegv »

soulofmischief wrote: post #544
kaba0 wrote: post #275

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> And then Apple made their OS more heavy weight every year until my phone slowed to a crawl. I mean, it is a bit unfair against Apple - some of the reason behind the OS getting more heavyweight is actually backporting new features in 7 year’s distance, many which actually has dedicated hardware in case of the more modern lineup. Also, there is a big aspect which is independent of Apple: every app is getting more and…

No, it's not unfair at all. Apple's gotten busted for this exact thing and had to shell out $500 million in damages. https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/apple-to-start-paying-out-5... > I really have a hard time with a realistic business model that would be significantly better. Well this one might be good for business, but as you can see, it is extremely bad for the individual.

The consequence of their upgrade was a slow down. But they didn’t slow it down just because they could. It was to prevent a phone with an old shitty battery to shut down in the middle of a task when there was still battery left. Better a slow down than just no phone at all.

And yes they didn’t communicate it, that’s why they got sued. But this problem was real.

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Post by chrononaut »

dmt0 wrote: post #564
goles wrote: post #506

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Check into the developer of GrapheneOS reputation. From a friend who used to use GrapheneOS and flashed back. You want that guy pushing code to your phone?

Can you elaborate?

Looks like they're referring to:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36089104 https://youtu.be/4To-F6W1NT0?feature=shared

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