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Post by rcarr »

ThePowerOfFuet wrote: post #131
rcarr wrote: post #36

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I was a long time iPhone user for about 15 years - never had an Android. My iPhone 8 Plus finally reached end of support for OS updates and I'd heard great things about Samsung Dex so I ordered a Samsung Ultra S22 last week and I absolutely love it. Once you get it set up and used to it, I've found the experience to be superior to the iPhone. I just find it quicker to do the things I want to do because of the way it'…

I hope you had a look at Samsung's privacy policy. https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/xtq9pq/samsungs_pr...

I'm adding another comment and eating humble pie because I found out this evening that the Samsung keyboard application saves up to 100 items in the Samsung Keyboard clipboard in plain text, with no way to set any kind of auto clear and it does this no matter what other keyboards you install and use. For example, you can install gBoard (Google Keyboard) and set it as the default keyboard, copy something to the clipboard, and it will be there in your Samsung keyboard regardless of whether you set gBoard to auto clear the clipboard every hour. The only way to completely clear the clipboard is via manually pressing five buttons: first the clipboard button followed by the trash can icon, followed by select all, followed by delete, then confirm. This is obviously a massive security risk if you are using a 3rd party password manager and, despite lots of requests for many years, Samsung have declined to do anything about it.

Thankfully, it does look like you can uninstall these packages and most of the other Samsung bloatware using adb or the Universal Android Debloater[1] but it is still some of the most exceptionally disgusting behaviour I've ever seen from a major tech company and I hope that either the EU or some other governing body forces them to fix it or Google bakes something into Android that makes it impossible for them to do. Either way, I will be jumping ship to a more trustworthy brand as soon there is one that has an adequate desktop mode with Quadlock case support.

https://github.com/0x192/universal-android-debloater

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Post by TeMPOraL »

Krasnol wrote: post #311
kaba0 wrote: post #294

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> lot of people I know tend to get new phones well before they actually have a need for them It might just be your “bubble”, but even if not, is it really that bad of a deal? If you resell your previous phone at 2/3 the original price each year, you can use the latest phone for like 200 bucks for a year, or $17 monthly. For a device that is with you 0-24, and is probably the most often used item a typical person owns…

Yeah, but in the end they are those who fuel the waste machine. They start it, and they are the reason why there are new phones every year. For no sane reason. Somewhere along the way, you pass a threshold where it's uncool to have a certain version of phone and judging from what you hear about the waste problem with phones, it's above the reasonable moment to get rid of it because it's broken or not usable. I mean,…

It's not always about being uncool. Sometimes it's about your current device getting slow enough to be annoying, so you want to replace to avoid paying the daily mental tax, "death through thousand papercuts", coming from the single piece of electronics you use most of, day in, day out. And that is caused mostly by software bloat - as mentioned elsewhere in the thread, between OS updates and app updates, a year is about how long a flagship phone has before it starts to become annoying to use. And then it only gets worse.

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Post by TeMPOraL »

epolanski wrote: post #447
pfannkuchen wrote: post #262

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I think the lease thing is more to avoid dealing with any maintenance issues as well as the wear and tear on a less than new car. It’s not to get the newest tech or style all the time AFAIK.

Avoiding repairs, even if some of them might be expensive, is still insanely cheaper than leasing a new car every 3 days. People lease for many factors, not just to avoid tear and maintenance.

> still insanely cheaper than leasing a new car every 3 days

Somehow that works for clothing vendors, though.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by smusamashah »

Lutzb wrote: post #283

The depreciation between Pixels and iPhones is staggering. Trade-in in Germany on Google Store page: - Pixel 6 Pro 256gb ($999 on release) - 235€ - iPhone 13 Pro 256gb ($1099 on release) - 730€ While I am partial to Googles line of phones (had pretty much every Google phone since the nexus one), the loss of value is something I cannot really ignore any more when deciding to buy a phone.

This means best way to buy a pixel is few years after release, and even better if it's a used one. I recently got Pixel 4a and believe i can easily keep using this for at least 2 3 years.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by fomine3 »

chiefalchemist wrote: post #327
kimbernator wrote: post #178

It's starting to feel silly, having a yearly release cycle for smartphones. So much of this product page is focused on new software functions that may have some vague relationship with the slightly upgraded hardware, but that could mostly be released to existing phones. Every new iPhone, Pixel, or Samsung phone basically claims the camera is marginally better and hey, look at these software features that have very li…

The Apple adverts push the fact that the 15 is titanium. That's it. The ad I keep seeing doesn't even hint at why Titanium matters. No matter, the point is, evidently the technical aspects don't seem to matter.

Titanium matters for lightweight that is one of the important spec for some people. They aren't good at advertising this (or don't want to advertise much to make heavier again in the future?)

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Post by ethbr1 »

rurp wrote: post #365
sanswork wrote: post #266

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An improved camera can't be something applied in software, a faster chip can't be applied in software. So by your own standard every version is warranted.

My last three phone upgrades have been decidedly 'meh', and I only upgrade every 2-3 years. There have been some marginal improvements in battery life and performance, and some software niceties; but those get counteracted by bloat, regressions, and UX churn. Replacable battery and storage becoming less common is categorically worse for users. A phone with upgradable parts and minimal bloat would be better than any r…

Honestly, one of my favorite phones was the Motorola (what's now) Power.

Middling specs. Huge battery.

I'm still on a Pixel 4a 5G now, because I haven't seen any reason to upgrade.

But I'm a "I want to be able to accidentally run over my phone with a car, shrug, and go get another one" type of person. (Despite the fact I've never actually cracked a screen...)

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Post by TeMPOraL »

dottjt wrote: post #270
kimbernator wrote: post #178

It's starting to feel silly, having a yearly release cycle for smartphones. So much of this product page is focused on new software functions that may have some vague relationship with the slightly upgraded hardware, but that could mostly be released to existing phones. Every new iPhone, Pixel, or Samsung phone basically claims the camera is marginally better and hey, look at these software features that have very li…

Isn't domain knowledge lost when we don't regularly build and release things? Isn't this why we're struggling to build nuclear in some countries because they weren't building it regularly, and now it's difficult to scale, let alone build new ones? I understand that it's wasteful, but maybe it's necessary to sustain itself? Especially from a feedback perspective from consumers?

> I understand that it's wasteful, but maybe it's necessary to sustain itself?

Some waste is the cost of resiliency. But with phones (and other electronics and appliances), we're talking about extreme amounts of waste. Way more than is needed to keep around and develop the capacity and know-how.

> Especially from a feedback perspective from consumers?

What feedback? Unless they screw things really badly, they're just listening to the echoes of their own marketing departments. This is a supply-driven market with high natural barriers to entry. Customers buy what they're told to, and are happy about it as they're told to.

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Post by fomine3 »

bravetraveler wrote: post #392
kimbernator wrote: post #335

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I think it's interesting that you cite video game consoles as a negative. I'd argue the opposite, I think phones should be more like them. With video game consoles, you have a single device where micro-optimizations are constantly done, new features are added, and all software can be purpose-built to work really well on that specific hardware. All of that for ~7 years means a really fantastic user experience and a ma…

I don't see why it couldn't be that way - I see people overstating the hardware revisions. Apple, sure, they innovate. Qualcomm? Hah. For about five years it seemed like every flagship spanning generations was the same SoC

Meanwhile Apple always do the best (and their older chip like A14 is already enough in today IMO), Qualcomm often hits and miss. Their flagship chip made by Samsung fab is tend to be bad battery life and heat. SD888 to 8 Gen2 upgrade is huge than expected for me.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by ethbr1 »

jonplackett wrote: post #387
kaba0 wrote: post #275

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> And then Apple made their OS more heavy weight every year until my phone slowed to a crawl. I mean, it is a bit unfair against Apple - some of the reason behind the OS getting more heavyweight is actually backporting new features in 7 year’s distance, many which actually has dedicated hardware in case of the more modern lineup. Also, there is a big aspect which is independent of Apple: every app is getting more and…

If Apple just let people hang out on the last nicely-working version of iOS, where their camera still opens fast, then that’d be fine. But they don’t. They bully you into always being on the latest Also, I remember a while back they did a specific optimised speed-up release of iOS with barely any new features and it _really_ worked. My iPhone 6S went from being basically garbage I was going to replace to like a brand…

If Apple committed to releasing a full + feature-slim version of each iOS going forward, I'd switch to an iPhone tomorrow.

But that's a lot of maintenance burden, in exchange for slitting their own revenue throat. So hard to expect them to do it for altruism.

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