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Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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This is a meta comment, but I think it's extraordinary that we're only 15ish years from the first smartphone release and we've already reached the "boring" incremental improvement phase for these tiny pocket supercomputers. Consider how long it took PCs to reach the same stage (with a fraction of the adoption). It was like 20 years from Kenbak-1 to the 90s PC era.

We're coming up on 20, but I get it.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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I don't know if I've just been excessively lucky, but I've never put a case on any smartphone I've owned since 2010, and I've only cracked the screen on two of them. These days (probably for the past 4 years) I do put the thin-film screen protectors on as well, and replace them if they get damaged. I've always been of the feeling that I'm buying this lovely, well-designed piece of hardware, why would I want to cover…

Exactly because you have cracked the screen on two of them. I (and many others with a case) am at 0 cracked screens.

We can throw anecdotes to each other all day. I've been using smartphones since 2010 as well. Never used a case. Never cracked a screen.

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> And then Apple made their OS more heavy weight every year until my phone slowed to a crawl. I mean, it is a bit unfair against Apple - some of the reason behind the OS getting more heavyweight is actually backporting new features in 7 year’s distance, many which actually has dedicated hardware in case of the more modern lineup. Also, there is a big aspect which is independent of Apple: every app is getting more and…

> People on average change their phones every 3 years People in my circles seem to use their phones for 6-7 years atleast.

And those people are the reason that the average is three years, instead of one year like the teenagers do.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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An improved camera can't be something applied in software, a faster chip can't be applied in software. So by your own standard every version is warranted.

"significant" is the key word here. I'd be hard pressed to think of a generational release of an existing phone line in the last 5 years that I would describe as a "significant" improvement. The things you listed (camera and chip speed) are basically the only things left that these companies can claim is better than last year's model, but only because it's so easy to use synthetic benchmarks and numbers that mean not…

Just because you don't value the type of improvements doesn't mean there aren't improvements. It just means you probably don't need to upgrade this year.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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I think that a new phone release should just be warranted. The trigger should be "we made significant improvements that couldn't be applied in software to the old device" instead of "it's October"

An improved camera can't be something applied in software, a faster chip can't be applied in software. So by your own standard every version is warranted.

My last three phone upgrades have been decidedly 'meh', and I only upgrade every 2-3 years. There have been some marginal improvements in battery life and performance, and some software niceties; but those get counteracted by bloat, regressions, and UX churn. Replacable battery and storage becoming less common is categorically worse for users.

A phone with upgradable parts and minimal bloat would be better than any recent phone I've had, but it would also be less profitable for Google so obviously they will avoid that as much as possible.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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I was interested in this release. But right now it's a $20 difference here in CAD between the Pixel 8 Pro 256 GB and the S23 Ultra 256 GB (there's a sale going on for the S23). With all of the Pixel's heat, battery, and connectivity issues (bad reception I can live with, but not knowing if I can call 911?), I can't justify it at all.

But you have to deal with Samsung's UI in the S23 Ultra. It's still not that great after over a decade of existence.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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It's starting to feel silly, having a yearly release cycle for smartphones. So much of this product page is focused on new software functions that may have some vague relationship with the slightly upgraded hardware, but that could mostly be released to existing phones. Every new iPhone, Pixel, or Samsung phone basically claims the camera is marginally better and hey, look at these software features that have very li…

Not everyone lives on the same upgrade cycle, you can, but you're not supposed to change your phone every year. With iPhone 15, the majority of people upgrading would be 12 and older device owners.

Apple has a few products like the ipad mini and imac that don't release on yearly schedules and it creates this situation where there are good and bad years to buy. Where the product hasn't been refreshed for 3/4 years and is now severely outdated and a major refresh is something like 6 months away. It's pretty bad for the customer and the seller. Meanwhile it's always a good time to buy an iphone. There is no point waiting for the next model because it won't be meaningfully different.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Too expensive for my tastes. Give me 380USD phone which lasts for next 5-8 years, feels premium, is repairable, camera is decent, replaceable battery, OS is just Vanilla Android with atleast 5 years(more years of Software updates would be welcome) of Software Updates and when you can't provide it, make it hackable enough to install Custom ROMs.

I still don't get the "premium feel" line when everyone covers their phone in a case anyway. I don't care if my phone is made of plastic when it actually makes it less prone to breaking when dropped.

Even worse is when the premium feel is at the expense of usability as well as durability. Matte glass backs and rounded aluminium sides might as well be a bar of soap

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Too expensive for my tastes. Give me 380USD phone which lasts for next 5-8 years, feels premium, is repairable, camera is decent, replaceable battery, OS is just Vanilla Android with atleast 5 years(more years of Software updates would be welcome) of Software Updates and when you can't provide it, make it hackable enough to install Custom ROMs.

So you want the same thing but for less than half the price?

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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It's starting to feel silly, having a yearly release cycle for smartphones. So much of this product page is focused on new software functions that may have some vague relationship with the slightly upgraded hardware, but that could mostly be released to existing phones. Every new iPhone, Pixel, or Samsung phone basically claims the camera is marginally better and hey, look at these software features that have very li…

Yeah, it feels like smartphones are finally maturing, and they are no longer new enough to justify the fast release cycles and short support times.

Cars still release on a yearly schedule decades later and they change almost nothing each year.
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