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Vespa.ai is spinning out of Yahoo as a separate company

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Re: Vespa.ai is spinning out of Yahoo as a separate company

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Vespa was actually very cool at the time as a document-oriented search engine, occupying the same niche as Solr and elaborations of that like ElasticSearch. But I don't know if it's competitive today. This blog post says it's "developed by Yahoo" which is I guess true. But it was originally an acquisition, largely developed by a team in Norway, and apparently most Vespa development still happens there.

> don't know if it's competitive today

very, it's outcompeting most vector databases on features and maturity when it comes to vector search while having very powerful and flexible and proven text search too

The tricky part is, it's more a platform to build complex search systems with then "just" a vector database. So if a found a company today which focus is to create clever multi phase search pipelines and train (e.g. domain adopt) LLMs for calculating embeddings etc. then it's probably _the_ best solution by far, you probably can get away with having only AI engines devops and a single programmer (who might also most times just do devops). But if you need to deeply integrate it into a different existing search system things are less grate.

And I would love to see some modernization, like having a format for structured queries which is more widely supported then YQL... (eying graphql here)

Re: Vespa.ai is spinning out of Yahoo as a separate company

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So what exactly does Yahoo do these days?

Seems really popular in Japan for some reason.

No relation to Yahoo in the US. Spun off from a previous incarnation of Yahoo in that doesn't exist anymore. In practice, they're two companies that confusingly share the same name.

Re: Vespa.ai is spinning out of Yahoo as a separate company

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ex-yahoo here (Quit in 2022, at the height of salary boom :) Yahoo is a profitable company with atleast 5B $ in revenue. Search and Mail are extremely profitable businesses. When was the last time you changed your mail id? Search is atleast 2B $ plus in revenue. Mail is 1B $ plus in revenue. Yahoo Finance, Yahoo sports, yahoo news are all highly trafficked websites although I dont know the revenue numbers. I do wager…

Wow, search.yahoo.com actually looks kind of nice/snappy

and in difference to google you don't get swamped by ads that much, I mean the search results seem seriously better then 2023 google...

Re: Vespa.ai is spinning out of Yahoo as a separate company

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Piaggio is not gonna be happy that someone has called their company Vespa.

“vespa” means wasp in Italian, and it seems unlikely that they’re in the same trademark categories.

Try telling that to Apple.

Re: Vespa.ai is spinning out of Yahoo as a separate company

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Vespa has been around for a LONG time. When I worked at Yahoo back in 2005-2007 the Flickr team were using it to scale Flickr - they were integrating it in order to serve things like public tag pages, to take the load off their MySQL cluster. I remember understanding it as the internal equivalent to something like Solr, although actually it predated it - looks like the first public Solr open source release (coming ou…

Yeah, I worked with the Flickr team on that project. Scaling to billions of photos, with partial update support of popularity for ranking.

Back then, the properties had to stand up their own Vespa cluster(s), later on we created a managed service out of it. And, yes, the original plan for Vespa was to be a Vertical Search Platform, that is where the name Vespa comes from. More on the history in this blog post https://blog.vespa.ai/vespa-is-becoming-its-own-company/

Re: Vespa.ai is spinning out of Yahoo as a separate company

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems really popular in Japan for some reason.

I don't think the Japanese entity and US entity have any relation to each other anymore. I think US entity divested itself of Yahoo Japan completely in 2018 or so. Yahoo Japan is now collectively owned by Softbank and Naver under some holding company (it was big news in Japan when the merger happened).

They actually rebranded from "Yahoo! Japan" to "Line Yahoo" https://www.lycorp.co.jp/ja/

Re: Vespa.ai is spinning out of Yahoo as a separate company

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post #23
post #10

Piaggio is not gonna be happy that someone has called their company Vespa.

“vespa” means wasp in Italian, and it seems unlikely that they’re in the same trademark categories.

Wasps are a nuisance known for causing pain and property destruction. "vespa" as a name for a product always seemed strange to me. At least the scooters were vaguely waspish looking and buzzed around town. What's yahoo's excuse?

Re: Vespa.ai is spinning out of Yahoo as a separate company

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post #21

Vespa was actually very cool at the time as a document-oriented search engine, occupying the same niche as Solr and elaborations of that like ElasticSearch. But I don't know if it's competitive today. This blog post says it's "developed by Yahoo" which is I guess true. But it was originally an acquisition, largely developed by a team in Norway, and apparently most Vespa development still happens there.

> don't know if it's competitive today very, it's outcompeting most vector databases on features and maturity when it comes to vector search while having very powerful and flexible and proven text search too The tricky part is, it's more a platform to build complex search systems with then "just" a vector database. So if a found a company today which focus is to create clever multi phase search pipelines and train (e…

Yeah +1 for VERY competitive. The vector capabilities of Vespa are incredible and the Text/ranking features are amazing. I don´t think any other product have those two sides so developed as them.
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