It is really jarring to see RMS without his iconic beard. I hope he recovers soon from his cancer, we need GNU and free software proselytism more than ever today.
It is great that his prognosis is good, but who is stepping up to bring the movement into the next generation?
Richard Stallman Talks Red Hat, AI and Ethical Software Licenses at GNU Birthday
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Re: Richard Stallman Talks Red Hat, AI and Ethical Software Licenses at GNU Birthday
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In the South, "coke" is a generic term for soft drinks. Supposedly ordering "Pepsi coke" is a thing. He can scream all he wants, but it's not a productive conversation.
They are productive, because they are literally different things. I would equally be annoyed if someone called an Apple an Orange, because they are not the same thing.
Re: Richard Stallman Talks Red Hat, AI and Ethical Software Licenses at GNU Birthday
#83I went to a small talk rms gave in London in around 2009. The talk was unmemorable (my fault, likely, not his) but the Q&A afterwards was remarkable: He screamed at people for using 'open source' instead of 'free software' in their questions, raved about the Amazon "Swindle" like a 12-year-old, and talked over and down to everyone. He was often accurate in the core of what he was trying to say, but his attitude was u…
I will say that I was pleasantly surprised, given what I had read about him, at how he handled a question from someone who had a very severe intellectual disability; he treated his question at the Q&A as he treated everyone else's. Although he belittled my question, but that's neither here nor there.
Re: Richard Stallman Talks Red Hat, AI and Ethical Software Licenses at GNU Birthday
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I doubt that. As someone who was enthusiastic about AI before neural networks rose to prominence, I only shake my head when I hear people ascribe all sorts of properties of intelligence to the particular trend in AI that is in vogue today. The ultimate quest of AI was to understand how to make good decisions. The idea was that maybe if we emulate human activity that humans call "intelligence", but remove all the rand…
We don’t fully understand how human intelligence works, yet that doesn’t mean we aren’t intelligent
Re: Richard Stallman Talks Red Hat, AI and Ethical Software Licenses at GNU Birthday
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
I doubt that. As someone who was enthusiastic about AI before neural networks rose to prominence, I only shake my head when I hear people ascribe all sorts of properties of intelligence to the particular trend in AI that is in vogue today. The ultimate quest of AI was to understand how to make good decisions. The idea was that maybe if we emulate human activity that humans call "intelligence", but remove all the rand…
You don't seem to understand how thise systems are trained if you believe it is by asking a lot of people and averaging answers. Plus there is a ton of work to now combine LLMs with their excellent language abilities to more formal systems based on rules, ontologies and (fuzzy) logic. LLMs showed that this type of networks can likely solve one aspect if intelligence, the ability to handle language, that previous appr…
I don't claim to have a good knowledge of the ins and outs of the particular trend of the day though. I wouldn't be able to tell what the difference is between "deep learning" and "reinforcement learning", not with any authority or confidence. I did take two courses on AI though, long before the neural-network approach was a thing. I.e. my AI learning experience was focused on search algorithms, building knowledge bases etc.
So, here, based on my experience of practical applications of LLMs, I can comment on things you wrote:
> Plus there is a ton of work to now combine LLMs with their excellent language abilities to more formal systems based on rules
Tons of publications doesn't mean this is a solved problem. As it stands now, there's a serious doubt this is a problem that can be solved. I have not seen any real system working in the world of medicine which would use LLMs for anything that can be encoded as rules. If anything, I've heard a lot about failures to implement anything remotely similar to this (which happened outside of academic medicine, or somehow slept through the cracks). I.e. chatbots suggesting suicide to people in distress, or suggesting to cut on carbs to young women struggling with anorexia and so on.
> the ability to handle language, that previous approaches were all extremely bad at
Well, now it's my turn to point fingers. You probably don't know much about previous approaches, and don't understand the problem well. It's true that since the term AI was coined substantial efforts went into understanding natural languages. But what came out of this work is a disillusionment, the understanding that natural languages suck at encoding knowledge and as such are a bad tool for building ontologies, or call them knowledge bases. So, it wasn't because older methods failed to parse language well. It was because we realized that there's no point in being good at it. It's a cute gimmick, if you can do it, and can be useful in harmless situations, like enabling rich interactions between NPCs and PCs in video games. But, if your goal is to understand how to make good decisions, it's more of an obstacle really.
Like I said previously, but you seem to have ignored: yes, neural networks are useful, but not in the way a lot of people understand intelligence, or, at least, they fail to address the central and the critical questions about intelligence. Compounded by dishonest advertisement of their abilities and armies of low-quality practitioners this approach has a tendency to alienate people who are interested in more fundamental questions about the nature of intelligence.
Re: Richard Stallman Talks Red Hat, AI and Ethical Software Licenses at GNU Birthday
#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you think the CEO of Coca-Cola actually screams at waiters when they say, "we don't have Coke, will Pepsi be ok?"
The founder of Coca-Cola might. But either way, pointing out the flaws of a loose analogy adds nothing to the conversation.
If an analogy is supposed to persuade me, but the internal premise of the analogy completely contradicts the purpose of the analogy, then perhaps it should be completely eliminated or at the very least it should be challenged.
Moreover, this contradiction within the analogy highlights the exact opposite. Likely, the CEO of Coca Cola experiences that "coke/pepsi" dialog with waiters all the time and merely shrugs it off --- because that is actually a reasonable response, unlike screaming at people over a tiny, unintentional slight.
Re: Richard Stallman Talks Red Hat, AI and Ethical Software Licenses at GNU Birthday
#87Re: Richard Stallman Talks Red Hat, AI and Ethical Software Licenses at GNU Birthday
#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
The founder of Coca-Cola might. But either way, pointing out the flaws of a loose analogy adds nothing to the conversation.
Well, as Scott Adams says, "Analogies are for fighting." If an analogy is supposed to persuade me, but the internal premise of the analogy completely contradicts the purpose of the analogy, then perhaps it should be completely eliminated or at the very least it should be challenged. Moreover, this contradiction within the analogy highlights the exact opposite. Likely, the CEO of Coca Cola experiences that "coke/pepsi…
Re: Richard Stallman Talks Red Hat, AI and Ethical Software Licenses at GNU Birthday
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Well someone should do it though. He's surely an ambivalent person. But the point "Open Source" vs. "Free Software" stands. Right now working at a company that has been violating the GPL (and somewhat celebrating themselves as Open Source contributors) makes me truly understand the difference. "Open Source" means just taking but "Free Software" also - at the very least - complying with licenses. > To those who say we…
I sympathise with your position, but is rms all we've got? No developers were persuaded to change their language from 'open source' to 'free software' that day in 2009, him shouting at us was utterly ineffective. We need good communicators, not just passionate people. I'm not suggesting he shouldn't write his good ideas down, but keep him away from an AUDIENCE.
His methods might've been of a lunatic indeed, but it's on you to argue that Free Software would have grown further than what it is today with a more mild mannered person at the helm.
I disagree completely with this proposition. You need crazy zealots to change the world: no one will accept their extreme view of the world, but choose a more moderate version of their message. And so the zealot has succeeded in his mission. Examples in history abound, whereas mild-mannered people don't go very far in radically changing the status quo.
Re: Richard Stallman Talks Red Hat, AI and Ethical Software Licenses at GNU Birthday
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We don’t fully understand how human intelligence works, yet that doesn’t mean we aren’t intelligent
I think you stopped reading somewhere in the middle.
That feels like goalpost moving. Having it be interpretable is a useful quality but it’s not the same as intelligence