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AI Detection services are the oiliest of snake oils. Seems like education is going to need to change drastically in the next few years. Maybe we'll go all the way back to oral examinations again.
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Condescending (and useless) comment of the day.
It's not useless. Hopefully it will remind people (those with an attitude better than yours) that it's all within you to create the change you want.
No it most certainly is not.
I would sue the teacher and school if this happened to me… total BS. Also plagarism and having other people do your work, or even take exams for you is as old as time. How is AI any different? Some trust is in order here. The students are the ones paying to be educated, if they cheat they are only cheating themselves anyways.
If anything, the new generation of AI tools should reduce the false positives. As another commenter here noted, even humans weren't perfect at this task. We've never been able to reduce the false positives to zero.
Meanwhile, you owe your lawyer $350 for your initial consultation.
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>if they cheat they are only cheating themselves anyways. I've heard people say this a lot. It's a very old-school liberal arts perspective that doesn't fit with the modern world. In practice, for most students, education is a third-place benefit of university behind 1. the certificate and 2. networking.
So then who cares if they got an education? If they want to pay for 1 and 2 but didn't get an education, why does it matter.
The rest of us might too, if we expect "I have a degree in X from Y university" to imply some level of competence.
Paradigm changes have been happening since there's been humans around. Some people adapt, others don't.
This is not, I think, and unreasonable requirement either, we just need a few professors to be hit with large lawsuits arguing torturous interference with employment (since what most people are in college for is a better job anyway).
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Condescending (and useless) comment of the day.
It's not useless. Hopefully it will remind people (those with an attitude better than yours) that it's all within you to create the change you want.
One of the important adulthood things that many people fail to learn is that they should pick their battles.
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I doubt oral examinations come back in general. The undergrad model relys on massive classes, I don’t see how you can do oral exams in those 300 person classes without massive cheating as the first students tell everyone else what to expect.
Is there any value to those lectures, nowadays? I can see a PhD lecture on the fundamentals of virtually any academic topic, for free and at my leisure, on youtube and similar sites. Waking up at 8am to attend an in-person Geology 117 lecture with 300 other freshmen is probably as outdated as a fax machine. Perhaps the next step is, education that isn't based on personal instruction isn't rare enough to be worth payi…
Has anyone field-tested strategies to fighting allegations like this and would like to share them? Something I remember from a previous discussion around this topic was writing everything in e.g., Google Docs, where there are captured versions every few seconds. The idea being that the version log shows that one did not copy-and-paste larger chunks of the text.
Or even just set up a "computer cam" that films yourself working. Most laptops can handle this pretty effortlessly with their encode blocks.
I would sue the teacher and school if this happened to me… total BS. Also plagarism and having other people do your work, or even take exams for you is as old as time. How is AI any different? Some trust is in order here. The students are the ones paying to be educated, if they cheat they are only cheating themselves anyways.
The students are the ones paying to be educated, if they cheat they are only cheating themselves anyways. The problem is the cheater will then enter into society and tell people "I'm a graduate of $prestigious_university". At that point they are cheating society. Would you want to work with people who cheated? Would you want your doctor to be someone who cheated?
AI Detection services are the oiliest of snake oils. Seems like education is going to need to change drastically in the next few years. Maybe we'll go all the way back to oral examinations again.
Students should have the right to be shown exactly where and why texts are flagged. Much of the snake oil will disappear pretty quickly if the solutions are required to provide any form of proof. It's would be funny, if it also wasn't so sad, that the point is that the students need to prove that they did the work, while shitty software can flag their work as being plagiarism or AI generated while providing no proof.