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Why I Chose New York

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Re: Why I Chose New York

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This is great, I left NYC for many of the same reasons the OP cites as wanting to move there. Really, I should write a post on "Why I'm choosing the Midwest" NYC has so many women. Beautiful women. But if you're looking to have kids, settle down and move away to where your kid has his own lawn to play on, your odds drop close to zero. So many people date in NYC, so few commit for the rest of their lives. I was so nai…

So many people date in NYC, so few commit for the rest of their lives.

You just made that up.

Re: Why I Chose New York

#43

This is great, I left NYC for many of the same reasons the OP cites as wanting to move there. Really, I should write a post on "Why I'm choosing the Midwest" NYC has so many women. Beautiful women. But if you're looking to have kids, settle down and move away to where your kid has his own lawn to play on, your odds drop close to zero. So many people date in NYC, so few commit for the rest of their lives. I was so nai…

So many people date in NYC, so few commit for the rest of their lives. You just made that up.

Not really, among my age group it was true. In the Midwest many of my friends were getting married in college. In NYC, very few of my friends under 30 were married. In fact, I met more married people under 30 living apart (because it used to be tough to get a divorce in New York) than living together. You're right though, that maybe it should say "so few commit for the rest of their lives at an early age." Most of my friends had absolutely no desire to get married before 30 in NYC.

Re: Why I Chose New York

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I got the same astonishment from my friends when I told them I was leaving NYC. "Why would you leave New York?" "Is there anything in Wisconsin?" One even told me if I wasn't happy in NYC, I should seek therapy, because there was clearly something wrong with me.

I'm from Wisconsin and I don't think there's much there. But perhaps that's exactly why you went?

I think it is. The trees are exactly the right height. I'm kidding :) There is a lot here, just not people, which is why I came. I wanted more trees, more rivers to canoe, more lakes to relax by. You can find that in upstate NY, too, but I already had family and friends back here, so upstate was out.

Re: Why I Chose New York

#45
My previous team was split between Mountain View and New York. We'd travel back and forth. Don't get me wrong: I love the Bay Area. The weather for one thing is simply heaven.

We'd often get into debates about this. My argument is that it is cheaper to live in New York than the Bay Area. The main reason for this is that almost anywhere you live in the Bay Area you will have a car. Between car payment, insurance, gas and maintenance you will more than make up for any difference in rent.

Your only real option to living without a car is to live in SF. That means an hour commute minimum each way every day (on the bus). Sometimes it can double with traffic on the 101. You have to catch them when they're running (4-6 times in the morning and evening?). Or if you don't have a bus option it's Caltrain + bus. Caltrain runs every hour during the day (slightly more often in peak hours).

Even if your bus has wifi and you can allegedly do work I'd rather not waste 2-3 hours of my life on it each day.

Compare this to New York. Areas around the office (Chelsea, Meatpacking, West/Greenwich Village, Union Square) are expensive but I still have a second story (true) one bedroom walkup 7 minutes walk from work for $2000/month.

A friend lives in Crown Heights in Brooklyn. Door to door will typically take him ~35 minutes. His one bedroom is $1000/month. How far afield are you going to have to go in SV to find a one bedroom for that price (or, worse, that price including the car cost, even adjusting for spending $100/month on a monthly metro card).

And I'd much rather rely on the Subway (or the commuter trains for that matter) than anything in Norcal (although I found the combination of BART + buses fine in SF even though I knew many people who complained about them). It's like $2.25 to go anywhere in the city and it runs 24x7.

Rent in Manhattan is certainly expensive but you don't need to live in Manhattan. You can choose to (as I have) but you don't need to. You can get a pretty nice apartment in Forest Hills and have a relatively easy run in on the E train if you wish. Williamsburg is full of hipsters but is convenient (except when the L train stops running, which seems to happen all too often).

So rent aside, everything else is the same cost of cheaper. Food especially is cheaper. A Thai restaurant around the corner has $2-6 appetizer and On the way to work there are 3-4 laundromats. The one I go to is open from 7am-11pm 7 days a week and as long as I get them my clothes before about 1-2pm will have them back the same day, washed, dried, folded and sealed for If you have a family you can stay in the city (expensive) or move to the commuter belt (as most people do). Long Island, upstate NY or NJ (or further afield at places like CT, PA) have good affordable options. If you're married and have kids you'll probably only need 1 car rather than 2 (since the trains will cover you during the week to go to work).

New York really is great. Although if I weren't working for Google I'm not sure who I'd want to work for. Foursquare? Maybe but you're essentially banking on them getting bought out (admittedly, this seems fairly likely). Tumblr? Maybe. Amazon? I think they're out of the city somewhere. Palantir? Maybe. SV certainly has got way more choice.

Re: Why I Chose New York

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It's only Bay vs NYC? Why not stay in Austin? Every startup here is hiring. Why not Boston, Boulder, Seattle, or Portland? Not mentioning other cities seems shortsighted. Online startups can exist anywhere. If you're not interested in groupthink considering other cities seems very reasonable. I also don't buy your SF commute argument. There are tons of startups in downtown SF. You don't have to live in the bay area a…

As a young person in their early 20s, I think it makes sense for him to try his luck in NYC or SF and live that life for a while when his skills are in demand there. Once he's ready to settle down, move somewhere more friendly to that way of life. Better to do it now than regret not doing it later.

Austin, Boston, Boulder, Seattle, or Portland are all towns where one can settle down and raise a family without having to settle for a corporate 9-5 gig since there's vibrant startup/tech communities in these cities too. The option is always there and is especially attractive once you've got the Bay Area or NYC experience under your belt.

Re: Why I Chose New York

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It seems like NYC just seems like a hub, because people are already there and don't want to move. Very few people who decide to uproot to start their startup elsewhere actually choose NYC over SV. Frankly, I don't see what the big deal is, lets face it, most programmers are more or less geeks, so all this talk about the better night life and clubs, dating/mingling opportunities etc probably doesn't even apply. It's a…

wow, you think engineers don't date? hahahah how naive can you get.

Re: Why I Chose New York

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So many people date in NYC, so few commit for the rest of their lives. You just made that up.

Not really, among my age group it was true. In the Midwest many of my friends were getting married in college. In NYC, very few of my friends under 30 were married. In fact, I met more married people under 30 living apart (because it used to be tough to get a divorce in New York) than living together. You're right though, that maybe it should say "so few commit for the rest of their lives at an early age." Most of my…

I should also probably add that my statement shows my cultural biases, namely that being committed means being married. There were many long-term couples in NYC who were together but not married.
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