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Re: I am very real

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I'm curious, how, if "... no copies of this letter have been sent to anybody else. You now hold the only copy in your hands." is true, how is it reproduced on this site?

Shaun here - I run Letters of Note. Presumably Vonnegut kept the draft, or kept the original and sent McCarthy the one copy. The letter's text was later included in Vonnegut's book, Palm Sunday, as mentioned on the site.

As an aside: thank you for the great web site.

Re: I am very real

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post #4
post #2

I am curious for more. Does the source book have more on this story? I'd like to know whether the letter was ever shared in the community.

It must have been shared with at least one other person as it explicitly states that there is only a single copy in existence. For us to be reading it means either the recipient or the person they shared it with subsequently shared it with others.

"Copy" probably doesn't refer to an actual copy, outside of the one Vonnegut probably made for himself -- it refers to the one sent.

Re: I am very real

#13
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shaun here - I run Letters of Note. Presumably Vonnegut kept the draft, or kept the original and sent McCarthy the one copy. The letter's text was later included in Vonnegut's book, Palm Sunday, as mentioned on the site.

As an aside: thank you for the great web site.

Thank you. It's a pleasure.

Re: I am very real

#14
post #3

While not nearly as important, the idea that authors are real makes me immediately relate to my own experience that customers don't seem to understand that software is made by real people too. People with feelings, who are fallible. Several comments on blogs or reviews on the app store show to me that people don't feel they are being insulting or rude if they aren't facing the person they criticize. The more I wrote…

This is an unfortunate but real human trait.

There's a book that describes the effect in war. The basic premise is that it's easier to kill people by dropping a bomb on them from an airplane than it is to shoot them with a rifle on the battlefield.

It's because in the latter you see your victim. And immediately relate to that victim [edit: 1]. Which makes shooting him or her exceedingly difficult.

It's an interesting parallel.

The book is called On Killing, by US Lt. Col. Dave Grossman.

[1] Unless the shooter is psychotic.

Re: I am very real

#15
post #9
post #5

I'm curious, how, if "... no copies of this letter have been sent to anybody else. You now hold the only copy in your hands." is true, how is it reproduced on this site?

The web site got the letter from a book that Vonnegut put together and published in 1981. Presumably he saved a copy himself, as many letter writers do.

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Re: I am very real

#16
post #3

While not nearly as important, the idea that authors are real makes me immediately relate to my own experience that customers don't seem to understand that software is made by real people too. People with feelings, who are fallible. Several comments on blogs or reviews on the app store show to me that people don't feel they are being insulting or rude if they aren't facing the person they criticize. The more I wrote…

It’s not anonymity, exactly, but (for want of a better term) noncorporeality. We all know plenty of people whose online personae are bold and crass, even though they write under their real name. In person, we’re wired to observe certain social niceties to fulfill, I don’t know, some innate sense of tribal duty. It’s a whole lot more difficult to shout at a man than at his words on a page. Bodilessness is dehumanising—for good and ill.

Re: I am very real

#17
post #4
post #2

I am curious for more. Does the source book have more on this story? I'd like to know whether the letter was ever shared in the community.

It must have been shared with at least one other person as it explicitly states that there is only a single copy in existence. For us to be reading it means either the recipient or the person they shared it with subsequently shared it with others.

The first time I read it, I also had that interpretation. On subsequent reading, it does seem like copy meant a copy that is not the original. Not so much, "the only copy in existence".

Suffice it to say, I was sufficiently confused as well.

Re: I am very real

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post #3

While not nearly as important, the idea that authors are real makes me immediately relate to my own experience that customers don't seem to understand that software is made by real people too. People with feelings, who are fallible. Several comments on blogs or reviews on the app store show to me that people don't feel they are being insulting or rude if they aren't facing the person they criticize. The more I wrote…

Even as a developer of software, I've at times found myself forgetting that software is written by real people.

Just a few months ago, I bought an app from the Mac App Store. I became disenamored with the app due to a glaring fault. I regained consciousness about halfway through writing my negative review on the App Store (that'll be my excuse for getting as far as I did), with the thought, "Why don't I first email this guy and see if he'll fix it before writing this review?" So, I closed the review form and opened an email. Sure enough, he responded within the hour, and a new release came out the next week with my suggestion built in.

My next email to him was explaining why he should raise the price of his app. He was a real person.

Re: I am very real

#19
post #8

I was curious how this document was released, if only one copy was distributed to a person who was probably not inclined to share it. The first newspaper reference on Google I could find is dated June 1982. http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=L6pNAAAAIBAJ&sjid=r... ; Anyone have access to Factiva or LexisNexis?

Vonnegut himself released it, in his book, Palm Sunday.

Thanks.

(Note to self: Don't skip the italicized, parenthetical text before an interesting piece of content)

Re: I am very real

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post #8

I was curious how this document was released, if only one copy was distributed to a person who was probably not inclined to share it. The first newspaper reference on Google I could find is dated June 1982. http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=L6pNAAAAIBAJ&sjid=r... ; Anyone have access to Factiva or LexisNexis?

Vonnegut himself released it, in his book, Palm Sunday.

But in the letter he claims that the copy the recipient is holding is the only copy. Was he lying or did he somehow have it returned to him?
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