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Re: Why aren’t America’s students showing up?

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Post by DrThunder »

CHSbeachbum420 wrote: post #10
willcipriano wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's why we need school choice, give the working poor the same opportunity to abandon the public schools like the wealthy have.

False. Taking tax dollar funding away from public schools only exacerbates the issue. School choice is a scam to fund private Christian schools to brainwash the youth and maintain a conservative voter base

Why do you assume the money would be taken away from the public schools? Is it because they suck? If so, you're right and it should be taken away from them.

You don't improve if you aren't answering to anyone. If they're threatened with money loss you better believe they're going to start doing something to make their school more attractive and that's how it should be. Right now they can be absolutely abysmal at educating anyone and still receive tax dollars.

Re: Why aren’t America’s students showing up?

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Post by thsksbd »

I never cared for attendance. If a teacher believes that parents and the the students are diligent I think the teacher should excuse the student absences.

When I was a kid, my parents would have me skip school on Saturdays (we had 6 day/week classes) to go to the beach, or, go to an important cultural event (day my dad has a business trip to Florence, or Vienna).

My teachers knew we were getting good grades and that my parents weren't having us play video games while absent. Whatever it was we were doing was as enriching as school.

I believe the teachers have a duty to the weaker kids, but they shouldn't impose those kids controls on the others.

Re: Why aren’t America’s students showing up?

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Post by verall »

mcntsh wrote: post #36
GoldenRacer wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The wealthy parents sent their kids to private schools and try to defund public education They didn't say sending kids to private school was a way to actively defund public education just that wealthy parents do both which is true. What's your motivation to vote and support politicians that advocate for better funded public schools when it doesn't effect your kids but raises your taxes?

Everyone wants well-funded public schools because they produce safer and better communities. Can you think of many safe and affluent cities in the US that have poorly funded public school programs?

People supporting voucher programs don't want well funded public schools.

Re: Why aren’t America’s students showing up?

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Post by wholesomepotato »

CHSbeachbum420 wrote: post #10
willcipriano wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's why we need school choice, give the working poor the same opportunity to abandon the public schools like the wealthy have.

False. Taking tax dollar funding away from public schools only exacerbates the issue. School choice is a scam to fund private Christian schools to brainwash the youth and maintain a conservative voter base

It's like some choice who brainwashes my kids. Are they going to learn about men being pregnant and go to a drag show or that god created earth 5 thousand years ago.

Maybe i could even alternate every year so they are "well rounded".

Re: Why aren’t America’s students showing up?

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Post by seanw444 »

CHSbeachbum420 wrote: post #10
willcipriano wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's why we need school choice, give the working poor the same opportunity to abandon the public schools like the wealthy have.

False. Taking tax dollar funding away from public schools only exacerbates the issue. School choice is a scam to fund private Christian schools to brainwash the youth and maintain a conservative voter base

Having choices is bad. Today I learned.

Re: Why aren’t America’s students showing up?

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Post by freitzkriesler2 »

thrxio wrote: post #14
mcntsh wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's unfair to say that wealthy parents send their kids to private schools as a way to actively defund public education. Parents are making this choice to give their kids a better education, and anyone with the same opportunity would do it too.

Wealthy people don't like to pay taxes which funds the public education

Then why do wealthy people congregate in specific suburbs that have highly rated public schools?

Re: Why aren’t America’s students showing up?

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Post by chung8123 »

smcg wrote: post #4

The pandemic showed students that adults treat them and other adults as chattel. The response has been further dehumanization. The older generations who don't have school-age children have been continuously draining education in order to have lower property taxes. The wealthy parents sent their kids to private schools and try to defund public education, actively harming the children in their community. I don't blame…

Taxes have not gone down in any of the cities mentioned. In fact property taxes have been increasing a lot since the value of homes have increased.

The other point is none of the issues need money to solve them: The advent of remote learning during the pandemic altered students’ routines and led many to conclude that in-person attendance was optional. School districts have eased grading policies that penalized students for missing class or turning assignments in late, further reducing incentives to attend. After years of Covid quarantines, parents are more inclined to keep kids home for minor illnesses or mental-health issues. Technology isn’t helping: There’s evidence that absenteeism had already begun rising in the years before the pandemic, coinciding with the explosion of smartphone and social-media use among children — which increased distractions and weakened students’ connection to school. Those problems only worsened while schools and other activities were shut down.

Re: Why aren’t America’s students showing up?

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Post by hobs »

mcntsh wrote: post #20
thrxio wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wealthy people don't like to pay taxes which funds the public education

According to the 2020 IRS tax report, the top 1% of American earners pay 42% of all income taxes, the top 10% of earners pay 74%. https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1304.pdf In California, property tax revenue has been increasing steadily YoY... a $3.2Bn increase in 2020 alone. https://www.boe.ca.gov/legdiv/2021-2022/pub306.pdf

Hey look, numbers that don't mean what the person said.

What percentage of their wealth do they pay? What are their effective tax rates compared to the working class? Why are capital gains taxes so much less than most income taxes? Why does our "progressive" tax rate stop growing in the 150k range or so? Which one of those groups can afford lawyers to structure their incomes to pay even less?

The rich are not paying their fair share and generally have been paying less and taking more for decades, I don't know what you are on about.

Re: Why aren’t America’s students showing up?

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Post by cristiancavalli »

simonsarris wrote: post #26
smcg wrote: post #4

The pandemic showed students that adults treat them and other adults as chattel. The response has been further dehumanization. The older generations who don't have school-age children have been continuously draining education in order to have lower property taxes. The wealthy parents sent their kids to private schools and try to defund public education, actively harming the children in their community. I don't blame…

> continuously draining education in order to have lower property taxes This is so provably false that I'm amazed anyone could have this opinion. The US spends huge amounts on education. More than almost any country. Neither education spending nor property taxes have declined. Government current expenditures: Education https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/G160291A027NBEA Personal Current Tax Receipts: State and Local G…

I can find plenty of sources pointing to net education spend decline relative to inflation/gdp: https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/educ... https://www.cbpp.org/research/state-budget-and-tax/a-punishi... https://edlawcenter.org/research/$600-billion-lost.html

https://www.cbpp.org/research/state-budget-and-tax/most-stat... The question is not really is it increasing — but how much it has increased and whether that actually affords a quality education. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/07/us-education...

(Hint: it probably has to do with the fact teaching makes very little $ in most places and is not treated as a good career in the states)

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