LTS kernels are no longer supported for 6 years because no one used them • Hacker News Board

Re: LTS kernels are no longer supported for 6 years because no one used them

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Post by M95D » Tue, Oct 03, 2023, 3:59 PM UTC

glandium wrote: post #30

figmert wrote: post #8

This is weird. LF has spent less on Linux than everything else . LF has to deal with lots more than LF. Even based on the numbers this article mentions, LF spends close to a million a year on Linux. I don't understand what the aim is here.

On the other hand, many companies have people on their payroll to work on Linux. I would argue Linux barely needs anything from the LF.

> many companies have people on their payroll to work on Linux

... for that company's own interest.

> I would argue Linux barely needs anything from the LF.

Linux? No. It's a computer program. Computer programs have no needs (yet).

Users, real natural persons, YES! Remeber when Linux couldn't play audio without hiccups? Remember Con Lolivas patches?

Have a look at linux kernel maintainers. How may systems in there are "supported" vs. just "maintained".

Re: LTS kernels are no longer supported for 6 years because no one used them

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Post by slowmovintarget » Tue, Oct 03, 2023, 4:57 PM UTC

nobodyandproud wrote: post #33

brnt wrote: post #5

Lunduke has been picking so many fights, I'm a bit lost as to whether I should pay attention or not. Sure, it doesn't seem great, but the Linux foundation putting money in other areas of the ecosystem is hardly a good point. Show us a real breakdown, instead of a gratuitous Linux kernel expenditure vs not-Linux kernel expenditure.

I approve of this fight-picking. It’s what journalists are meant to do. The Linux Foundatiom should an engineers-first organization. The leadership team breakdown shows me it’s full of MBAs specializing in “on a computer”.

There's journalism that challenges the status quo, and there's muckraking, which is the degenerate form. This seems to be the degenerate form.

Re: LTS kernels are no longer supported for 6 years because no one used them

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Post by GTP » Tue, Oct 03, 2023, 6:23 PM UTC

akaij wrote: post #59

GTP wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, they can. But it's different from saying that no-one uses them.

I'm sure the nuance is not lost on the people that made the decision.

I'm just wondering if it is actually how you said, i.e. they don't want to provide free support to companies vs how he write, i.e. not enough users.

Re: LTS kernels are no longer supported for 6 years because no one used them

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Post by dang » Tue, Oct 03, 2023, 7:34 PM UTC

gregkh wrote: post #31

Did anyone think to actually ask the developer who is maintaining the LTS kernel versions why he made that change (back in February?), i.e. me? {sigh} No, I guess that would take too much effort, and wouldn't result in such a click-bait headline "LTS kernels are no longer supported for 6 years because it turns out no one used them." doesn't have that same fun sound...

Well, we can at least change the title to that above. I've done so now.

Re: LTS kernels are no longer supported for 6 years because no one used them

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Post by brnt » Tue, Oct 03, 2023, 7:57 PM UTC

gregkh wrote: post #31

Did anyone think to actually ask the developer who is maintaining the LTS kernel versions why he made that change (back in February?), i.e. me? {sigh} No, I guess that would take too much effort, and wouldn't result in such a click-bait headline "LTS kernels are no longer supported for 6 years because it turns out no one used them." doesn't have that same fun sound...

> it turns out no one used them

Can you explain what this means? E.g. Debian very much sticks to LTS kernel versions in their stable releases. Were they not working with upstream, you? If they'd be doing their own maintenance, there's no need for them to stick to LTS versions, but clearly they didn't tell you. Any idea what's going on there?

Re: LTS kernels are no longer supported for 6 years because no one used them

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Post by mdolan1 » Mon, Oct 09, 2023, 5:27 PM UTC

gregkh wrote: post #31

Did anyone think to actually ask the developer who is maintaining the LTS kernel versions why he made that change (back in February?), i.e. me? {sigh} No, I guess that would take too much effort, and wouldn't result in such a click-bait headline "LTS kernels are no longer supported for 6 years because it turns out no one used them." doesn't have that same fun sound...

Bryan Lunduke is the Russia Today or Newsmax of open source...