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Re: Dalle-3 Examples

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Post by 6510 » Tue, Oct 03, 2023, 2:18 PM UTC

cush wrote: post #54

ShrigmaMale wrote: post #51

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on the contrary, it's proof that popular support for something can overcome even what was a fairly brutal crackdown by large men with large guns and quasi-military strength. people like dalle and midjourney and chatgpt.

So what? Weed has had popular support for 60 years… You’re giving an example of a law that has very slowly changed across America and arguing that laws are very slow to change. It’s just irrelevant to this conversation. You’re talking about the supply/demand of pot while I’m talking about the economic consequences of copying human work without compensation. I agree ChatGPT is popular. So what? Certain refrigerants an…

As hardware progresses it will become increasingly possible to train your own dragon in your own catacomb. I'm unsure what kind of edge it would give to do an unethical/illegal employee review, credit rating, investment portfolio etc etc but if it only seems like it would give an advantage people will do it.

Re: Dalle-3 Examples

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Post by cush » Tue, Oct 03, 2023, 3:17 PM UTC

6510 wrote: post #60

cush wrote: post #49

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> People think everything is valuable By definition, a royalty is the sharing of already realized value. We don’t need to imagine what value may be realized, so the Roman Circus analogy isn’t necessary or accurate.

There is a difference between the [collective] perception of value and what is objectively valuable for our civilization. We might imagine an island with 100 inhabitants where 3 people own 99% of the wealth and 99% of the produce. Here valuable is for the most part defined by what those 3 people value. If they really enjoy good choreography, 50 people could permanently work to put great dance shows together. It makes…

> There is a difference between the [collective] perception of value and what is objectively valuable for our civilization.

No, not perceived value. I’m literally talking about sharing revenue. Dollars. Cold hard cash.

Eg Customer pays to have DALL-E generate an image, then fractions of a penny are shared with contributors of the DALL-E model based on the contributors’ weights that were used.

Again the rest of your analogies are unnecessary because we’re talking about two different things.

Re: Dalle-3 Examples

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Post by djur » Tue, Oct 03, 2023, 3:28 PM UTC

cush wrote: post #58

djur wrote: post #55

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Copyright law does not currently mandate any particular payment schedule for licensing work. Are you suggesting that it should?

Okay… I feel you understand what I’m getting at but are super keen on nitpicking. I know copyright doesn’t mandate payment schedules. It’s a legal tool that prevents people from distributing derivative work without permission. Currently (most) AI models don’t attribute original creators (let alone pay them royalties), which means it’s impossible to pay content creators even if we wanted to. It’s a widely known issue…

I'm not nitpicking, I'm trying to understand what you mean by "copyright law [taking] a massive leap forward in the next year".

Re: Dalle-3 Examples

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Post by cush » Tue, Oct 03, 2023, 11:04 PM UTC

6510 wrote: post #61

cush wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what? Weed has had popular support for 60 years… You’re giving an example of a law that has very slowly changed across America and arguing that laws are very slow to change. It’s just irrelevant to this conversation. You’re talking about the supply/demand of pot while I’m talking about the economic consequences of copying human work without compensation. I agree ChatGPT is popular. So what? Certain refrigerants an…

As hardware progresses it will become increasingly possible to train your own dragon in your own catacomb. I'm unsure what kind of edge it would give to do an unethical/illegal employee review, credit rating, investment portfolio etc etc but if it only seems like it would give an advantage people will do it.

Agree. You're talking about Piracy. Yes it will exist (just like today), but not at a scale that would make any economic difference (just like today).