The most sencere respect for what Gwen did and achieved. I can't tell more and only draw my hat (bad translation of a german saying, please don't hold it against me!).
A Woman’s Story
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#162There were a lot of questions about numbers such as guessing the next number in a sequence. There were some logic puzzles, the kind where you have to figure out that it’s the baker who rides a bicycle and the mechanic who lives in the house with a red door. There were some strange questions where she was given a sketch of a three dimensional figure such as a cube with some missing pieces, and she had to guess which s…
This is essentially an IQ test, and what they discovered was that Gwen was highly intelligent. They then did the smart thing and judged her based on her demonstrated aptitude rather than on the prevailing prejudices of the day Actually, if you read the whole thing, they didn't believe her "demonstrated aptitude" because of their "prevailing prejedices". She had to fight to get them to see her demonstrated aptitude. M…
The wikipedia article seems to suggest that Diplomas & Degrees fall under this as well: "The facts of this case demonstrate the inadequacy of broad and general testing devices, as well as the infirmity of using diplomas or degrees as fixed measures of capability". Do American companies not ask for Degrees in job descriptions?
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#163Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is a great summary you've written here and worth a second read. In deed there are confounding cultural factors built into standardized IQ testing. You wouldn't expect a white European student, even from another English-speaking country like the UK, to arrive at one of our school and test as highly as children born in the US. There will always be some exceptional cases, but in general environmental and cultural f…
Don't be too optimistic: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/21/us/21latina.html As I said, the confounding factors exist, but they seem relatively minor. Attempting to effectively homogenize the diverse human gene pool through education is anything but a new effort. If it was possible to educate the Mbuti pygmies of the Congo into the cognitive equivalent of Great Neck Jews, don't you think someone would have tried this…
"If it was possible to educate the Mbuti pygmies of the Congo into the cognitive equivalent of Great Neck Jews, don't you think someone would have tried this already"
Who would try that? The benign, wise rulers of the Congo?
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#164Earlier quoted context omitted.
Here is a link to the actual paper instead of someone's highly editorialized blog post. http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal....
You're really doing Professor Hawks a disservice by imagining him as some kind of foul right-wing agitator. He's actually bending over backward to be fair. Here's how a slightly more partisan biologist (Peter Frost) responds to the same material: http://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2011/07/arroseur-arrose.html Here's the NY Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/14/science/14skull.html
Other than stating that the blog post was highly editorialised, there was absolutely no indication given by whyenot about what Hawks biases might be.
To be honest, your comment reads strongly as though you are projecting.
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#165Earlier quoted context omitted.
Note also that the methods of 60 years ago (a) discovered Gwen's ability, (b) promoted her to a commensurate position, (c) gave a productive citizen a genuine sense of achievement and accomplishment. All in a period which was universally racist and sexist by today's progressive standards. Now? Gwen's intelligence would probably also be detected, if by less straightforward and reliable methods. Because her African X c…
This the old trope that now-a-days the pendulum has swung too far and women, blacks etc. are now in a privileged position compared to white, straight, anglo men. Nonsense. And spreads the idea that all black people shouldn't be where they are in the company and are all tricksters who are rubbish at their job.
Yeah, sucks that a supermajority of elected politicians, upper management, rich people, and influential cultural figures are all women of color who speak Spanish. Poor white anglo dude, his plight makes me weep.
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#166Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is essentially an IQ test, and what they discovered was that Gwen was highly intelligent. They then did the smart thing and judged her based on her demonstrated aptitude rather than on the prevailing prejudices of the day Actually, if you read the whole thing, they didn't believe her "demonstrated aptitude" because of their "prevailing prejedices". She had to fight to get them to see her demonstrated aptitude. M…
> That's because in the past, the IQ tests were not fair, objective and colour-blind, but were set up in such a way as to bias against poorer people (which will be mostly black in the USA). This isn't true at all. They haven't been shown to be biased, merely that blacks score lower. Extensive research has show that IQ tests have equal predictive power for blacks and whites. "Disparate impact" merely means that blacks…
When I joined Motorola, I had to fill in some kind of aptitude test that obviously came from the states. This was in Sweden but I'm an Englishman; pity the Swedes.
The English wasn't English English and it frequently used words that sounded like American sitcoms and which, in the context of a test where one answer is write and another wrong, I was quite unsure of the distinctions between.
I guess I scraped through by luck.
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#167'In Toronto, they could marry, but they couldn’t rent an apartment together as landlords were afraid of “trouble."' A bit off-topic, but I'm somewhat shocked by this (and my own ignorance). I know about the US, but this was an issue in Canada?
In theory they could live anywhere they chose. But the gap between theory and practice is narrower in theory than it is in practice.
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#168'In Toronto, they could marry, but they couldn’t rent an apartment together as landlords were afraid of “trouble."' A bit off-topic, but I'm somewhat shocked by this (and my own ignorance). I know about the US, but this was an issue in Canada?
In theory they could live anywhere they chose. But the gap between theory and practice is narrower in theory than it is in practice.
My parents came to Toronto from Ireland in the 1960s and also experienced their share of covert racism. It may be hard to imagine that a city that is so cosmopolitan† today was so repressive and ethnocentric just a few decades ago.
† Notwithstanding the Toronto Sun, et al.
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#169Peter Gadwa said the Bell Curve said people at all IQs existed in all races. IQ is based on deviation from average. I had some funny notions on what he meant.
God said "sports" on the topic of racism.
God says... C:\LoseThos\www.losethos.com\text\WEALTH.TXT
ing trade. The number of sailors and shipping which any particular capital can employ, does not depend upon the nature of the trade, but partly upon the bulk of the goods, in proportion to their value, and partly upon the distance of the ports between which they are to be carried; chiefly upon the former of those two circumstances. The coal trade from Newcastle to London, for example, employs more shipping than all the carrying trade of England, though the ports are at no great distance. To force, t
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IQ is crack -- this crowd secretly obsesses on it. I posted a story, "Neanderthal Cannibals had High IQ" just to make the most clicks. I think I spelled it wrong, though.
On a serious, higher level note than these code monkeys... Angels make for funny musing. Muses make for funny musing. Monkeys can make shakespeare in theory, but that's simple theory. Ham fisted means you never get Shakespeare.
God says... C:\LoseThos\www.losethos.com\text\BIBLE.TXT
with thee in all thy quarters.
13:8 And thou shalt shew thy son in that day, saying, This is done because of that which the LORD did unto me when I came forth out of Egypt.
13:9 And it shall be for a sign unto thee upon thine hand, and for a memorial between thine eyes, that the LORD's law may be in thy mouth: for with a strong hand hath the LORD brought thee out of Egypt.
13:10 Thou shalt therefore keep this ordinance in his season from year to year.
13:11 And it shall be when the LORD s
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They're all closet NAZIs, am I right? IQ and evolution are all they think about, not sex! ROFLMAO
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#170Peter Gadwa said the Bell Curve said people at all IQs existed in all races. IQ is based on deviation from average. I had some funny notions on what he meant.
God said "sports" on the topic of racism.
God says... C:\LoseThos\www.losethos.com\text\WEALTH.TXT
ing trade. The number of sailors and shipping which any particular capital can employ, does not depend upon the nature of the trade, but partly upon the bulk of the goods, in proportion to their value, and partly upon the distance of the ports between which they are to be carried; chiefly upon the former of those two circumstances. The coal trade from Newcastle to London, for example, employs more shipping than all the carrying trade of England, though the ports are at no great distance. To force, t