This article just complains about The Linux Foundaiton decision of reducing the LTS releases from 6 to 2 years but doesn't cite or analyse their reasoning. Why they did that? It may be worth complaining but the author should do better.
LTS kernels are no longer supported for 6 years because no one used them
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Re: LTS kernels are no longer supported for 6 years because no one used them
#42I think this is really just a naming problem. The Apache Software Foundation was founded for the Apache webserver, but today they have hundreds of projects unrelated to that. The same is true for the Linux Foundation.
Good point. In a sense, foundations have to appear much more interesting than they are nowadays. Developing an OS kernel or a web server isn't appealing to newcomers, so I guess there should be alternative pathways to that. There should still be alignment in behaviour to the identity the entity claims to be. Or we just could have the Whatever Foundation. So, are these other projects in any way related to the developm…
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Re: LTS kernels are no longer supported for 6 years because no one used them
#43Lunduke has been picking so many fights, I'm a bit lost as to whether I should pay attention or not. Sure, it doesn't seem great, but the Linux foundation putting money in other areas of the ecosystem is hardly a good point. Show us a real breakdown, instead of a gratuitous Linux kernel expenditure vs not-Linux kernel expenditure.
I approve of this fight-picking. It’s what journalists are meant to do. The Linux Foundatiom should an engineers-first organization. The leadership team breakdown shows me it’s full of MBAs specializing in “on a computer”.
> The Linux Foundatiom should an engineers-first organization.
why?
what do you feel it's purpose is? do you think the people who give it gobs of money agree with you?
Re: LTS kernels are no longer supported for 6 years because no one used them
#44Lunduke has been picking so many fights, I'm a bit lost as to whether I should pay attention or not. Sure, it doesn't seem great, but the Linux foundation putting money in other areas of the ecosystem is hardly a good point. Show us a real breakdown, instead of a gratuitous Linux kernel expenditure vs not-Linux kernel expenditure.
I remember when I discovered the Bad Voltage podcast he was a co host. I knew nothing about him at the time, but I remember thinking good Lord why is this guy allways a contrarian asshole. Since then he's left the podcast and it got so much better and I've learned who he is and decided I really don't like the guy.
Re: LTS kernels are no longer supported for 6 years because no one used them
#45Lunduke has been picking so many fights, I'm a bit lost as to whether I should pay attention or not. Sure, it doesn't seem great, but the Linux foundation putting money in other areas of the ecosystem is hardly a good point. Show us a real breakdown, instead of a gratuitous Linux kernel expenditure vs not-Linux kernel expenditure.
I approve of this fight-picking. It’s what journalists are meant to do. The Linux Foundatiom should an engineers-first organization. The leadership team breakdown shows me it’s full of MBAs specializing in “on a computer”.
Do you see any value in MBAs that are able to 'sell' other MBAs on the importance and value of Linux and OSS?
Re: LTS kernels are no longer supported for 6 years because no one used them
#46Did anyone think to actually ask the developer who is maintaining the LTS kernel versions why he made that change (back in February?), i.e. me? {sigh} No, I guess that would take too much effort, and wouldn't result in such a click-bait headline "LTS kernels are no longer supported for 6 years because it turns out no one used them." doesn't have that same fun sound...
> LTS kernels are no longer supported for 6 years because it turns out no one used them
I assumed companies use a lot of LTS software for servers to avoid frequent upgrades that always carry some chance of breaking stuff. Could you please elaborate more or link me to some place where I can read more about this?
Re: LTS kernels are no longer supported for 6 years because no one used them
#47Did anyone think to actually ask the developer who is maintaining the LTS kernel versions why he made that change (back in February?), i.e. me? {sigh} No, I guess that would take too much effort, and wouldn't result in such a click-bait headline "LTS kernels are no longer supported for 6 years because it turns out no one used them." doesn't have that same fun sound...
Don't distro kernels use LTS? Debian stable never changes it's kernel through its life cycle, and there is also a LTS of Debian
Re: LTS kernels are no longer supported for 6 years because no one used them
#48Lunduke has been picking so many fights, I'm a bit lost as to whether I should pay attention or not. Sure, it doesn't seem great, but the Linux foundation putting money in other areas of the ecosystem is hardly a good point. Show us a real breakdown, instead of a gratuitous Linux kernel expenditure vs not-Linux kernel expenditure.
He is a troll, picking fights about things he doesn't understand. This is not the first
Re: LTS kernels are no longer supported for 6 years because no one used them
#49Did anyone think to actually ask the developer who is maintaining the LTS kernel versions why he made that change (back in February?), i.e. me? {sigh} No, I guess that would take too much effort, and wouldn't result in such a click-bait headline "LTS kernels are no longer supported for 6 years because it turns out no one used them." doesn't have that same fun sound...
The one does not discount the other. In other words: disregarding the lts misunderstanding it still appears true that the Linux foundation is abandoning Linux kernel development. At least financially. Worth a look I guess.
Also: thank you for all your contributions to Linux for all these years!
Re: LTS kernels are no longer supported for 6 years because no one used them
#50Did anyone think to actually ask the developer who is maintaining the LTS kernel versions why he made that change (back in February?), i.e. me? {sigh} No, I guess that would take too much effort, and wouldn't result in such a click-bait headline "LTS kernels are no longer supported for 6 years because it turns out no one used them." doesn't have that same fun sound...
The one does not discount the other. In other words: disregarding the lts misunderstanding it still appears true that the Linux foundation is abandoning Linux kernel development. At least financially. Worth a look I guess. Also: thank you for all your contributions to Linux for all these years!
The amount of resources and other stuff that the LF provides to the Linux kernel community has increased over the years, including last year. Just because new people are brought in with new projects (that the LF member companies want to host) does not mean that somehow less is being given to the kernel community at all. It is not a zero-sum game here at all, that's not how the LF works in any way.
Again, this would have been easy to verify if someone just asked us.
So to repeat, no "abandonment" is happening here at all, the opposite is happening, just like it has for the entirety of the LF's existence, support has grown every year.