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LTS kernels are no longer supported for 6 years because no one used them
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Re: LTS kernels are no longer supported for 6 years because no one used them
#22I think this is really just a naming problem. The Apache Software Foundation was founded for the Apache webserver, but today they have hundreds of projects unrelated to that. The same is true for the Linux Foundation.
Good point. In a sense, foundations have to appear much more interesting than they are nowadays. Developing an OS kernel or a web server isn't appealing to newcomers, so I guess there should be alternative pathways to that. There should still be alignment in behaviour to the identity the entity claims to be. Or we just could have the Whatever Foundation. So, are these other projects in any way related to the development of Linux kernel or not?
Re: LTS kernels are no longer supported for 6 years because no one used them
#23I always find a kind of ironic that Linux Foundation is the home of Zephyr, an embedded OS that has nothing to do with Linux, other than being competition against Linux distributions for the embedded market. It isn't only Zephyr, also being the home of several other projects completly unrelated to the Linux kernel.
> Zephyr, an embedded OS that has nothing to do with Linux, other than being competition against Linux distributions for the embedded market. Zephr isn't "competition against Linux". It primarily targets microcontrollers that Linux would have no hope of running on (e.g. parts with <1MB of memory).
It certainly is, given that it isn't the only target, if you bother to actually watch their talks, specially its license makes it much more appeling to OEMs than a GPL tainted kernel (from their point of view).
Re: LTS kernels are no longer supported for 6 years because no one used them
#24Then again when did just throwing more money at the problem solve more problems? There could be other bottlenecks that the foundation felt are not solvable by money alone.
Re: LTS kernels are no longer supported for 6 years because no one used them
#25Does anyone know if the Linux foundation makes their financial statements available? My cursory glance turned up the slick annual presentation type report, but I am looking for the 3 basics, income statement, cash flow, and balance sheet, audited or unaudited. An aside, I think Linux is a true modern marvel of humanity, it really is people at their best. It's a bummer when in-fighting and drama pop-up, but I guess it…
you can get their 990 which has some details. Latest available is 2021 https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/460...
Re: LTS kernels are no longer supported for 6 years because no one used them
#26Lunduke has been picking so many fights, I'm a bit lost as to whether I should pay attention or not. Sure, it doesn't seem great, but the Linux foundation putting money in other areas of the ecosystem is hardly a good point. Show us a real breakdown, instead of a gratuitous Linux kernel expenditure vs not-Linux kernel expenditure.
But the author and many others aren't wrong in highlighting this and have covered the LF issues for years.
Given that is from a guy that cares a lot about how the Linux Kernel project is funded, that is very concerning.
The first step in solving a problem is to identify that there is an inherent issue, which the author has done, but goes ignored by those who do not wish to care about the project.
Re: LTS kernels are no longer supported for 6 years because no one used them
#27Lunduke has been picking so many fights, I'm a bit lost as to whether I should pay attention or not. Sure, it doesn't seem great, but the Linux foundation putting money in other areas of the ecosystem is hardly a good point. Show us a real breakdown, instead of a gratuitous Linux kernel expenditure vs not-Linux kernel expenditure.
Last time I saw a post of his linked here, someone posted this link: https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/muc18q/whats_the_dea...
Re: LTS kernels are no longer supported for 6 years because no one used them
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> All this started when fascists forced to implement or change Code of Conduct.
Debatable. But that was part of the problem as you already know. These code of conducts never solved anything and just created more problems.
> Open source is now woke. That's all.
Not all of it. But let's not go down that route, please.
Re: LTS kernels are no longer supported for 6 years because no one used them
#29Might be worth looking at the Linux Foundation's stated mission and aims before fetching the pitchforks
https://www.linuxfoundation.org/about
The Linux Foundation Method
A proven and repeatable way to scale project communities via a comprehensive portfolio of support programs for aspiring industry leading projects:
Neutral home for code and collaboration - We aim to democratize code and scale adoption, for all projects.
Ecosystem curation and community building - We strive to create new technology categories by identifying trends, accelerating the growth of nascent technologies, and removing barriers to adoption.
Enterprise ready, the OSS way - We provide turnkey technology and support programs for developer enablement, business operations, training & certification, marketing and events, and membership development to help projects scale fast.
Project insights and management tools - We help projects streamline operations and boost community engagement with cloud-based, collaborative tooling, contributor and participation analytics, and infrastructure management.
Re: LTS kernels are no longer supported for 6 years because no one used them
#30This is weird. LF has spent less on Linux than everything else . LF has to deal with lots more than LF. Even based on the numbers this article mentions, LF spends close to a million a year on Linux. I don't understand what the aim is here.
On the other hand, many companies have people on their payroll to work on Linux. I would argue Linux barely needs anything from the LF.