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Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by anigbrowl »

OfSanguineFire wrote: post #274
anigbrowl wrote: post #192

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It is something that is solved with "less tech" or "no tech" entirely. i don't believe that. I love technology and always want to have access to a computer (although I also love leaving it off and using paper or analog tools). But I have a pretty unforgiving standard for people-misusing-technology. Last week I went into a store I hadn't seen before, specializing in imported Asian liquors, drinks, cocktail stuff. I de…

Liquor stores in the US are prime targets for armed robbery. It is completely unsurprising if one doesn't want to handle cash at all.

This isn't a liquor store in the conventional sense. In any case, that's not my problem.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by anigbrowl »

jlnho wrote: post #268
anigbrowl wrote: post #192

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It is something that is solved with "less tech" or "no tech" entirely. i don't believe that. I love technology and always want to have access to a computer (although I also love leaving it off and using paper or analog tools). But I have a pretty unforgiving standard for people-misusing-technology. Last week I went into a store I hadn't seen before, specializing in imported Asian liquors, drinks, cocktail stuff. I de…

"If you're polite, nobody cares." But what's the point if nobody cares?

What I mean is that people nowadays typically don't pay attention to complaints voiced politely. Rudeness is unpleasant but more effective in getting people's attention.

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Post by flashback2199 »

standardUser wrote: post #369
flashback2199 wrote: post #181

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Machine learning! Android could filter notifications, easy.

I would trust that about as much as I trust their spam filtering, which is very little. And notifications are usually a lot more important than any given email these days.

That's super weird to me because spam filtering works amazingly for me. I don't think I will buy an iPhone because of how well the machine learning based features on Android have been working on my pixel.

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Post by araes »

c0pium wrote: post #241
revscat wrote: post #239

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This path doesn’t seem to work very well.

Society’s stated preference is things like healthy food, paying as opposed to ads (not being the product), and no notifications. Society’s revealed preference is McDonald’s, watching YouTube ads, and letting apps send whatever notifications they want to. In general people care about the trade offs between cost and convenience, between cost and style, and not at all about anything so mundane as value, privacy, or peac…

It's a common issue in America. The Game book basically already discussed this with dating. That stated preferences are total junk for significant portions of humanity. They say they want "idea" but really want, "pretend to believe in 'idea', while acting the horrible way you actually respond to."

Most of America is a "bait and switch" or a "rug pull." This article basically talks about those issues with workers. [1] America sayssss "work hard, be loyal, be honest, be virtuous" how America acts is "Reward lazy humans, reward dishonesty / backstabbing, reward vice (pride, lust, greed are pretty much America)."

[1] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00221... Stanley, Matthew L., Christopher B. Neck, and Christopher P. Neck. "Loyal workers are selectively and ironically targeted for exploitation." Journal of Experimental Social Psychology 106 (2023): 104442.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by copperx »

drdeca wrote: post #382
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I have an iOS device, so can’t speak for Google, but I suspect that’s what Apple has been _trying_ to do. The problem is that these apps are essentially adversarial in their notifications. If you have a mechanism for “only the most essential notifications”, then they simply mark all their notifications as “essential” (looking at you Uber). Try to limit their notifications using “only is summary” or disabling them and…

> If you have a mechanism for “only the most essential notifications”, then they simply mark all their notifications as “essential” (looking at you Uber) then perhaps Apple should say to them “either don’t mark these kinds of notifications as essential, or you get removed from the App Store”?

The solution is tried and true. Let the user mark notifications as spam and have a locally running spam filter.

I'm sure we'll get that soon. Enforcing notification categories is unfeasible for all apps.

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Post by aendruk »

Zambyte wrote: post #364
alexanderchr wrote: post #79

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It is a breach of trust. I give apps access to my immediate attention so they can notify me of things that need my attention. Not for telling me about their new features or some crappy partner deal. For this reason I have a one strike policy for apps. One marketing notification and permissions are revoked. Missing out on surprisingly little although it has made me stop using some services entirely.

> One marketing notification and permissions are revoked. That is more forgiving than my policy. Under the same condition, that app gets removed from my phone.

My policy is first one round of complaint to close the feedback loop and return the burden of hunting down the opt-out that should have been an -in.

Then, yes, the next step is just to remove the app and leave an appropriate review. A demonstrably adversarial app has no place in my life.

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Post by theshrike79 »

Saline9515 wrote: post #396
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My kid got a smart phone at age 7 when they started school. It's still mostly in their backpack and they regularly miss calls and messages from friends because it's always on mute and still in the school bag even though it's already evening =) You need to normalise these things and teach how to manage it from an early age. Like screen time is a completely normal thing in our family, it has been activated since the se…

The problem is that modern smartphones and app are designed to create addiction through finely tuned positive reinforcement triggers and rewards. The younger a kid is exposed, the most likely he will be affected all of his life by the addiction. "Normalizing" it akin to normalizing cigarettes - some kids could indeed manage to smoke only one a week, but most won't.

The point is to teach them these things from a young age. If you don't let the addiction build, it's less likely to happen later.

And don't let your 7yo use "apps are designed to create addiction through finely tuned positive reinforcement triggers", that's a given. Get them using apps that don't have that so that the move to "tuned addiction apps" is jarring even to them.

There's a corollary with alcohol. In countries where even kids get (diluted) wine at a young age with food - because it's part of the meal - they don't get the need to get f'd up with the strong stuff.

They get a mental association that alcohol is something you drink for the flavour and in moderation - it's not a tool for self-medicating mental issues.

Same with ads, we've been a DVD/BD/streaming-only household for ages so now ads on TV are a curiosity to the kids. We actually have a competition who mutes the TV fastest when the ads starts in the few occasions we watch something that has any.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by yieldcrv »

Teens have a modicum of accountability

Adults do not, while reading about teenagers as if the adult is exempt and better equipped to navigate this reality

In my experience, the way an adult deals with their phone is 100% based on if they are cohabitating with anyone, especially romantically, the ones with oblivious disruptive habits are not and have not been.

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