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Subsidies Awarded to Tesla Inc: at least $2,829,855,494 and Counting

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Re: Subsidies Awarded to Tesla Inc: at least $2,829,855,494 and Counting

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Post by justapassenger »

xbmcuser wrote: post #46

It is a good thing that Tesla got and is getting subsidies same for solar panel and most other renewable tech. Without it China would be the leader in electric vehicles. Looking at how cost of batteries as well as solar panels is decreasing every year. China dominated manufacturing with cheap labor in the last 20-25 years. And as more automated manufacturing comes online it would have dominated that as well as they w…

> Without it China would be the leader in electric vehicles

China is the leader in EVs at this point, like it or not.

Re: Subsidies Awarded to Tesla Inc: at least $2,829,855,494 and Counting

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Post by justapassenger »

mgiannopoulos wrote: post #3

What’s the point of the page if the information is incomplete ? For example the number about the 466 million federal loan I believe does not include the fact that it was paid back with interest (so taxpayers made money on that).

> For example the number about the 466 million federal loan I believe does not include the fact that it was paid back with interest (so taxpayers made money on that).

Trump is found guilty of fraud, even tho banks made money of his fraudulent deals.

Re: Subsidies Awarded to Tesla Inc: at least $2,829,855,494 and Counting

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Post by grotorea »

mgiannopoulos wrote: post #3

What’s the point of the page if the information is incomplete ? For example the number about the 466 million federal loan I believe does not include the fact that it was paid back with interest (so taxpayers made money on that).

That is still a subsidy, no? It's money that materially improved the health of the company. Does everyone and every company who wanted 466 millions had it available? And was the interest and other loan conditions market rate?

Re: Subsidies Awarded to Tesla Inc: at least $2,829,855,494 and Counting

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Post by justapassenger »

chaosbolt wrote: post #6

Also: Boeing 15 billion dollars, amazon 11b, intel 8b, ford 7.7b, foxconn 4.8b, etc. This organised propaganda against Tesla needs to stop, sure Musk is an a*hole, is he an evil a*hole like some othe CEOs? I don't know... Electric cars are still something beneficial to the sustainability of the car industry and the environment. And Ford still got more money... Foxconn uses slaves to make a luxury device that's market…

Strong whataboutism in your comment.

Is pointing out issues in the company that whole tech world was salivating over for almost a decade now a propaganda? A company who repeatedly lied to capitalize on the positive press?

Re: Subsidies Awarded to Tesla Inc: at least $2,829,855,494 and Counting

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

chaosbolt wrote: post #6

Also: Boeing 15 billion dollars, amazon 11b, intel 8b, ford 7.7b, foxconn 4.8b, etc. This organised propaganda against Tesla needs to stop, sure Musk is an a*hole, is he an evil a*hole like some othe CEOs? I don't know... Electric cars are still something beneficial to the sustainability of the car industry and the environment. And Ford still got more money... Foxconn uses slaves to make a luxury device that's market…

> This organised propaganda against Tesla needs to stop, sure Musk is an a*hole, is he an evil a*hole like some othe CEOs? I don't know...

In your post, you say that don't know. It seems others do, based on the responses to your post. I recommend those who do not know something, consult those who do, in order to learn, and thus know. As for me, it depends on whether you consider toxic narcissism "evil".

In any case, elmu's words and actions and behaviors are not those of a person seeking less attention, and for every internet plea of "leave elmu alone!", there is a twitter post by him effectively pleading "look at me!!!1", so the cries of "propaganda" ring pretty hollow.

Re: Subsidies Awarded to Tesla Inc: at least $2,829,855,494 and Counting

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Post by dangus »

wholesomepotato wrote: post #47
dangus wrote: post #43

Automobile-based transportation and city design is inherently subsidized. It’s the biggest form of socialism that American individualism accepts unlike any other: free parking for everyone, free roads for everyone. It doesn’t matter how much weight or size your vehicle has, being charged money for parking or paying a lot of money at the gas pump is seen as an assault on freedom itself. I believe I read that Massachus…

Oh yeah. Because most of the tax revenue comes from rural areas, and is only then funneled to support these unproductive city dwellers wasting it on all this pointless infrastructure.

You’re misinterpreting me. What I’m saying is that people in urban areas are overspending on infrastructure when simple adjustments to city planning would mean less of a need for extra infrastructure per person.

This applies to Suburbs as well. Many American cities that people think are too rural for cycling or bus service are actually very populated and only have issues with car alternatives because of planning mistakes like non-grid subdivisions, front-facing parking lots, and human-hostile road designs (no/poor bike lanes, high traffic speeds, dead space allocated for high speed traffic infrastructure like merge lanes and onramps)

Re: Subsidies Awarded to Tesla Inc: at least $2,829,855,494 and Counting

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Post by starbase »

mgiannopoulos wrote: post #42
ohthatsnotright wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Boeing hasn't repeatedly shat on subsidies and said they're self-made while pocketing massive government benefits.

If you compare these subsidies with the total revenues and profits of Tesla over the last 15 years, you should reach an interesting conclusion.

I looked it up and $2.8B is just 3 weeks of the company's revenue. Or two months of their gross profit. Or 3 months of their net income. Remarkable.

Re: Subsidies Awarded to Tesla Inc: at least $2,829,855,494 and Counting

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Post by dangus »

thehappypm wrote: post #49
dangus wrote: post #43

Automobile-based transportation and city design is inherently subsidized. It’s the biggest form of socialism that American individualism accepts unlike any other: free parking for everyone, free roads for everyone. It doesn’t matter how much weight or size your vehicle has, being charged money for parking or paying a lot of money at the gas pump is seen as an assault on freedom itself. I believe I read that Massachus…

Given that $12,000 per person would come out to $84B, and the entire FY24 budget for Massachusetts is $56B, you’re full of shit

That figure also included unaccounted negative externalities, like the future earnings of those who die in car crashes.

The value of a human life in the US is estimated at around $10 million, so if you have 30,000 people dying in car crashes nationwide per year you’re looking at prorated losses in the hundreds of billions.

Re: Subsidies Awarded to Tesla Inc: at least $2,829,855,494 and Counting

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #36
sofixa wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So he actively sabotaged an Ukrainian attack against the Russian navy, just as I initially stated? His excuse is bullshit too > If I had agreed to their request, then SpaceX would be explicitly complicit in a major act of war and conflict escalation Refusing to help the defender is siding with the offender by allowing them to continue their senseless war of agression and genocide. > Calling someone a fascist is a pre…

I don't understand how people can exist in such a clear dissonance state (Elon provides Starklink to Ukraine as a means to help Russsia, and does not offer it to Russia), and not step back and think. Like its so clear that your constructed narrative is wrong, but you are so blinded by emotion that you are totally unable to see it. Even worse, you won't even be able to read this comment without assigning it as musk pr…

> If you want to be critical, get a grip, otherwise its easy for musk to hold up his detractors as idiots.

much in the same way it is easy for a clown to dangle a shiny object in front of small children, and receive cheers and applause from a similarly small minority of people, and similarly be ignored by most other people, who recognize that the clown is a clown.

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