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Return to Office Is Bullshit and Everyone Knows It

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Re: Return to Office Is Bullshit and Everyone Knows It

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Post by jihadjihad »

ramon156 wrote: post #6

This post both says "I was most important at the company" And "I was easily dismissed". Can a CEO really be that disconnected from their company?

The post doesn't say they were "easily dismissed" -- it says they were presented with an ultimatum (RTO & relocate), so they bought some time then landed work elsewhere:

> If your employer tells you, “Move to an expensive city or resign,” your best move will be, in the end, to quit. Notice that I said, in the end. It’s perfectly okay to pretend to comply to buy time while you line up a new gig somewhere else.

Re: Return to Office Is Bullshit and Everyone Knows It

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Post by moomin »

ramon156 wrote: post #6

This post both says "I was most important at the company" And "I was easily dismissed". Can a CEO really be that disconnected from their company?

At most firms that employ > 20 people, there are _plenty_ of people who make powerful, serious contributions to their firm and the CEO will never know who they are.

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Post by dsm4ck »

I am beginning to think, somewhat uncomfortably, that due to industry consolidation most big corps don't have to worry about having great talent anymore. They are squeezing more money out of an established business model in a market that no longer has real customer choice, as long as they have good enough people to keep things going it's not a problem.

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Post by andersa »

mattlondon wrote: post #10

Its only bullshit if you want to work remote. I want to be in the office. Working remote is the most stressful thing I've ever done.

There's nothing wrong with wanting to work in an office. The issue is trying to force everyone to work in an office.

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Post by some_furry »

yellow_lead wrote: post #12
ramon156 wrote: post #6

This post both says "I was most important at the company" And "I was easily dismissed". Can a CEO really be that disconnected from their company?

Spend some time listening to the CEOs where you work and you will find the answer. CEOs are normally very out of touch. I also don't think the author implied they were most important, but that they were a good contributor and respected by many.

Correct: I wasn't like a vice president or anything crazy. (But I did hear from VPs on my way out who are leaving soon too.)

I normally downplay myself in my writing, so this was me pushing myself out of my comfort zone a bit. I hope it didn't come across as arrogant.

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Post by strict9 »

>If I had to give only one bit of advice to anyone ever faced with an ultimatum from someone with power over them (be it an employer or abusive romantic partner), it would be:

>Ultimately, never choose the one giving you an ultimatum.

This is such great advice. When you are given an ultimatum it is very revealing. Pretend to comply as the author advises, then find something else.

Your sense of self-worth is more valuable than salary or position prestige. If you comply long term, you lose a part of your self and persona.

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Post by mysterydip »

mattlondon wrote: post #10

Its only bullshit if you want to work remote. I want to be in the office. Working remote is the most stressful thing I've ever done.

What makes it stressful? I haven't seen this take before so I'm really curious about this perspective.

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Post by duke_sam »

grumblingdev wrote: post #20

Video conf still sucks. It's literally the same as 10 years ago. Does anyone have a workplace where it is really seamless, high resolution, and just works? Or is using any of these new technologies? Maybe VR will help... But not being in-person for collaboration/morale is miles apart. I wonder if employees would personally cover the cost of a one week meetup once per month if their other option was move city and offi…

If you work for a company where your whole immediate team are co-located it can be great. In my experience I end up spending most of my time working with people in disparate offices so I get the worst of both worlds, constant in-office video calls (and all the meeting room shuffling that goes with it).

Re: Return to Office Is Bullshit and Everyone Knows It

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Post by SSJPython »

I don't understand why there can't be compromise on this? If you want to go to the office, go. If you want to work from home, then work from home.

Why is it that remote workers never insist on everyone working from home, but RTO people want every single person to RTO? Just leave it up to the individual worker.

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