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The Best Birth Control In The World Is For Men

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Re: The Best Birth Control In The World Is For Men

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Post by spydum »

neutronicus wrote: post #94
natasham25 wrote: post #54

I've asked my guy friends whether they would get this procedure, and none of them will. Guys expect women to mess with their bodies, but are not willing to make the sacrifice themselves when it comes down to it, even though this is more safe and harmless than pumping your body with hormones every day.

Psh. If I can afford this it is 100% on.

In the US, a vasectomy runs about $400-600 (often covered by health insurance if you have it), and is largely just for the doctors time. Sounds like this should be the same if not cheaper by a very insignificant margin.

Re: The Best Birth Control In The World Is For Men

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Post by vacri »

silentscope wrote: post #33

I do see a market with this, but it's got a lot of problems you'd need to navigate. Nothing a smart team couldn't figure out. Most of the time, men trust women when they say they're on birth control. Women get pregnant--a big deal. It's less likely (but not unheard of) that a woman wants to get pregnant and then lies about birth control. Men, on the other hand, would love to not use a condom. And men don't get pregna…

If your sexual activity is not with a long-term exclusive partner, you should be using barrier protection anyway.

Re: The Best Birth Control In The World Is For Men

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Post by vacri »

natasham25 wrote: post #54

I've asked my guy friends whether they would get this procedure, and none of them will. Guys expect women to mess with their bodies, but are not willing to make the sacrifice themselves when it comes down to it, even though this is more safe and harmless than pumping your body with hormones every day.

I'd happily have this done, if it were available. Screw what 'guys expect', I don't want a woman to end up 'expecting'.

Re: The Best Birth Control In The World Is For Men

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Post by dfc »

oodalolly wrote: post #100
dfc wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is news to me. I have never heard/read anything that casts hormonal birth control in such a negative light. Do you have any pointers to more information? It has always been my understanding that hormone based birth control was a huge win for women's health...

There are thousands of forums with women discussing all the negative side effects of birth control. Off the top of my head, you can visit http://iud-divas.livejournal.com/ , which is women who are considering/have IUDs, and many of them report the negative (often severely so) effects of previous hormonal birth control usage. Otherwise you can visit bedsider.org, which talks about side effects for all birth control me…

I was looking for clinical data, peer reviewed research. But thank you I will look at these...

Re: The Best Birth Control In The World Is For Men

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Post by msbarnett »

dfc wrote: post #83
msbarnett wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With no reasoning given it's not a particularly valuable post in terms of contribution to the conversation, and it forces people to speculate about why you're declaring it to be "the best". There are any number of unflattering possibilities, which probably accounts for no small measure of the downvotes.

I think you are confused about the post I was referring to: "Um, "best" neccesarily implies a "one or the other" proposition." How can best be interpreted to mean anything other than a one or the other proposition.

> I think you are confused about the post I was referring to:

Whoops.

> How can best be interpreted to mean anything other than a one or the other proposition.

(Simplified)

You said: I think the best thing is X (vs Y).

He said: I disagree that this is an either-or proposition.

You said: Um, "best" neccesarily implies a "one or the other" proposition

He was never confused about the meaning of "best", he just disagreed that it applied.

You missed his point by a country mile, and got downvoted accordingly.

Re: The Best Birth Control In The World Is For Men

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Post by maaku »

dangrossman wrote: post #55
maaku wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not a vasectomy. It's not even related to vasectomy. Please RTFA.

Isn't that a little much? The procedure sounds identical to a vasectomy except the very last step -- instead of cutting the vas deferens you inject this substance into them.

It's a shot vs. a surgical procedure. It's a world of difference.

Re: The Best Birth Control In The World Is For Men

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Post by [deleted] »

dangrossman wrote: post #55
maaku wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not a vasectomy. It's not even related to vasectomy. Please RTFA.

Isn't that a little much? The procedure sounds identical to a vasectomy except the very last step -- instead of cutting the vas deferens you inject this substance into them.

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Re: The Best Birth Control In The World Is For Men

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Post by Lazare »

dfc wrote: post #86
Lazare wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course, it also lowers sex drive[1], while causing weight gain, cancer[3], and heart problems[4]. For historical reasons IUDs are uncommon in the US. This is unfortunate. They aren't perfect, but they are relatively cheap, extremely reliable, and remarkably safe. Depending on the type, they also have few or no side effects. Worth considering... [1]: This one arguably isn't a health benefit, but in many ways it's h…

This is news to me. I have never heard/read anything that casts hormonal birth control in such a negative light. Do you have any pointers to more information? It has always been my understanding that hormone based birth control was a huge win for women's health...

Which bits?

The impact on sex drive is fairly well known, I think. Google turns up a bunch of references[1][2]. The impact on weight is apparently cloudy; birth control pills almost universally list that as a side effect on the packaging, but studies have failed to turn up a reliable link. (Silly me; never trust drug company materials, even if they seem to be casting the drug in a negative light.)

I understand there's some evidence that birth control may cause depression, but I don't know that there's a definitive answer. (Google mostly just turns up anecdotes from people convinced that their depression is caused by their birth control; not really helpful.)

The argument over which way the cancer risk goes on balance is all over the net; there's a decent roundup on Wikipedia[3]. If you dig into it a bit, it's still pretty unclear, mostly because there haven't been a lot of studies.

The heart stuff is, compared to cancer, much more solid. Again, the internet is full of stuff about this. I don't know of any comprehensive roundups, but google will turn up a TON of stuff.

[1]: http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=11...

[2]: http://www.epigee.org/guide/pill_sex.html

[3]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hormonal_contraception#Effects_...

Re: The Best Birth Control In The World Is For Men

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Post by njharman »

esrauch wrote: post #72
natasham25 wrote: post #54

I've asked my guy friends whether they would get this procedure, and none of them will. Guys expect women to mess with their bodies, but are not willing to make the sacrifice themselves when it comes down to it, even though this is more safe and harmless than pumping your body with hormones every day.

I would rather pump my body full of hormones than have invasive surgery. You wouldn't?

Fuck no. Hormones (and most other injections) has way more impact / risk / effect than a tiny cut.

I cut myself several times a month, badly a few times year. (too lazy to wear gloves when doing yard work, accidents etc). I know what a cut is / does. No idea what putting crap in my body will do.

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