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Subsidies Awarded to Tesla Inc: at least $2,829,855,494 and Counting

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Re: Subsidies Awarded to Tesla Inc: at least $2,829,855,494 and Counting

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Why Louisiana Stays Poor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWTic9btP38

This video is about fossil fuel subsidies in just one zip code which makes it the richest and poorest zip code at the same time. $2857 per capita subsidies via Industrial Tax Exemption Program. National average is $291 per capita, Texas $89 per capita. Skip to 5:22 for the explanation.

Re: Subsidies Awarded to Tesla Inc: at least $2,829,855,494 and Counting

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This may be due to most of the company CEO's receiving these subsidies don't make a regular point of speaking out against government subsidies. It's not necessarily the subsidy that attracts criticism, it's the hypocrisy.

When has a Musk? Do you have an example?

Is this a genuine question?

Re: Subsidies Awarded to Tesla Inc: at least $2,829,855,494 and Counting

#23

Also: Boeing 15 billion dollars, amazon 11b, intel 8b, ford 7.7b, foxconn 4.8b, etc. This organised propaganda against Tesla needs to stop, sure Musk is an a*hole, is he an evil a*hole like some othe CEOs? I don't know... Electric cars are still something beneficial to the sustainability of the car industry and the environment. And Ford still got more money... Foxconn uses slaves to make a luxury device that's market…

> Electric cars are still something beneficial to the sustainability of the car industry and the environment.

Hard disagree, they're a sidestep at best (batteries aren't made of magic green recycled pixie dust, the electricity to charge them doesn't come of 100% renewables, usually, tire dust still contributes massively to plastic pollution), detrimental at worst, especially when sold as an extremely shitty and inefficient alternative to public transit, as they are in the Las Vegas Loop.

> sure Musk is an ahole, is he an evil ahole like some othe CEOs? I don't know...

I mean, have you heard Bezos or anyone of his ilk actively sabotage a defensive military campaign thus enabling the continuation of genocide, or give popularity to neo-fascist talking points?

Re: Subsidies Awarded to Tesla Inc: at least $2,829,855,494 and Counting

#24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This may be due to most of the company CEO's receiving these subsidies don't make a regular point of speaking out against government subsidies. It's not necessarily the subsidy that attracts criticism, it's the hypocrisy.

When has a Musk? Do you have an example?

I just made a very quick search and it is extremely easy to find.

Re: Subsidies Awarded to Tesla Inc: at least $2,829,855,494 and Counting

#25

Also: Boeing 15 billion dollars, amazon 11b, intel 8b, ford 7.7b, foxconn 4.8b, etc. This organised propaganda against Tesla needs to stop, sure Musk is an a*hole, is he an evil a*hole like some othe CEOs? I don't know... Electric cars are still something beneficial to the sustainability of the car industry and the environment. And Ford still got more money... Foxconn uses slaves to make a luxury device that's market…

> sure Musk is an ahole, is he an evil ahole like some othe CEOs?

Yes

Re: Subsidies Awarded to Tesla Inc: at least $2,829,855,494 and Counting

#26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This may be due to most of the company CEO's receiving these subsidies don't make a regular point of speaking out against government subsidies. It's not necessarily the subsidy that attracts criticism, it's the hypocrisy.

When has a Musk? Do you have an example?

Since the other comments just say it's easy to find (very much true), I'll give you this link. Here he says the government should end subsidies. There's plenty more, I promise.

https://www.theverge.com/2021/12/6/22821532/elon-musk-biden-...

Re: Subsidies Awarded to Tesla Inc: at least $2,829,855,494 and Counting

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post #23

Also: Boeing 15 billion dollars, amazon 11b, intel 8b, ford 7.7b, foxconn 4.8b, etc. This organised propaganda against Tesla needs to stop, sure Musk is an a*hole, is he an evil a*hole like some othe CEOs? I don't know... Electric cars are still something beneficial to the sustainability of the car industry and the environment. And Ford still got more money... Foxconn uses slaves to make a luxury device that's market…

> Electric cars are still something beneficial to the sustainability of the car industry and the environment. Hard disagree, they're a sidestep at best (batteries aren't made of magic green recycled pixie dust, the electricity to charge them doesn't come of 100% renewables, usually, tire dust still contributes massively to plastic pollution), detrimental at worst, especially when sold as an extremely shitty and ineff…

>I mean, have you heard Bezos or anyone of his ilk actively sabotage a defensive military campaign thus enabling the continuation of genocide

As usual, a lie travels halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.

https://www.engadget.com/ukrainian-official-claims-elon-musk...

Re: Subsidies Awarded to Tesla Inc: at least $2,829,855,494 and Counting

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To put this in context, fossil fuel subsidies, just from 2015 - 2022: $42 trillion Global Fossil Fuel Subsidies Reached $7 Trillion in 2022: https://e360.yale.edu/digest/fossil-fuel-subsidies-2022

This number appears to include the implicit subsidies too. The explicit subsidies seem to average at about 1/5th of the implicit ones. Implicit subsidies appear to be stuff like not putting a charge on the cost for external impacts, i.e. impact to health. The implicit subsidies to electric car companies could similar or even greater, as it appears that most of the microplastics come from car tires, as discussed recen…

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Re: Subsidies Awarded to Tesla Inc: at least $2,829,855,494 and Counting

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post #23

Also: Boeing 15 billion dollars, amazon 11b, intel 8b, ford 7.7b, foxconn 4.8b, etc. This organised propaganda against Tesla needs to stop, sure Musk is an a*hole, is he an evil a*hole like some othe CEOs? I don't know... Electric cars are still something beneficial to the sustainability of the car industry and the environment. And Ford still got more money... Foxconn uses slaves to make a luxury device that's market…

> Electric cars are still something beneficial to the sustainability of the car industry and the environment. Hard disagree, they're a sidestep at best (batteries aren't made of magic green recycled pixie dust, the electricity to charge them doesn't come of 100% renewables, usually, tire dust still contributes massively to plastic pollution), detrimental at worst, especially when sold as an extremely shitty and ineff…

Walter Issacson (the author who originally broke the news on this story) later clarified that he was mistaken on the timeline. Calling someone a fascist is a pretty wild accusation, especially when it seems it was motivated by a misunderstanding.

"Hi, Tim. Based on my conversations with Musk, I mistakenly thought the policy to not allow Starlink to be used for an attack on Crimea had been first decided on the night of the Ukrainian attempted sneak attack that night. He now says that the policy had been implemented earlier, but the Ukrainians did not know it, and that night he simply reaffirmed the policy." [1]

[1] twitter.com/WalterIsaacson/status/1700522506363248665

Re: Subsidies Awarded to Tesla Inc: at least $2,829,855,494 and Counting

#30

To put this in context, fossil fuel subsidies, just from 2015 - 2022: $42 trillion Global Fossil Fuel Subsidies Reached $7 Trillion in 2022: https://e360.yale.edu/digest/fossil-fuel-subsidies-2022

Seems dishonest to compare a single American company to a global industry containing way more than just transportation fuel.
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