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Re: First Impressions with GPT-4V(ision)

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Post by freilanzer » Fri, Sep 29, 2023, 7:41 AM UTC

wilg wrote: post #264

crazygringo wrote: post #109

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> they will become a superior user interface to almost every thing you want to do No they won't. They're actually a pretty terrible user interface from a design perspective. Primarily because they provide zero affordances, but also because of speed. UX is about providing an intuitive understanding of available capabilities at a glance, and allowing you to do things with a single tap that then reflect the new state ba…

There’s no reason chatbots have to be the interface to an LLM. Imagine dynamically generated interfaces redesigning themselves to your needs as you work through a task.

So, an interface that keeps changing randomly? That sounds like hell, no thanks.

Re: First Impressions with GPT-4V(ision)

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Post by fragmede » Fri, Sep 29, 2023, 8:15 AM UTC

theK wrote: post #339

fragmede wrote: post #306

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http://gitwit.dev shows us that LLMs can generate various GUIs just fine, when prompted.

This is not what I said. Sure you can use such tools or even just classical boilerplate scripts (like we used for a decade now) to get started with react fast. But building out a system that fails well when the underlying llm starts behaving erratically or not at all is a completely different league of engineering as executing a boilerplate script.

Sorry for misinterpreting you. So the underlying LLM starts misbehaving, and the difficulty you see, is that the system as a whole should fail gracefully. What would that look like, in your eyes? A proctor LLM/whatever that observes the output and decides that it has gone awry and decides to take over?

Re: First Impressions with GPT-4V(ision)

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Post by nuancebydefault » Fri, Sep 29, 2023, 6:51 PM UTC

sarchertech wrote: post #337

nuancebydefault wrote: post #329

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It would become less expensive, using less sensors and actuators, when using the predictive and learning abilities of an ai. You can, for safety reasons, keep a mechanical temperature limiter in the loop.

My background is in embedded systems. There is absolutely no way that an AI could make a temperature controlled shower cheaper. There’s no way to use fewer actuators, and the control system is already dead simple, and uses one temperature sensor per outlet.

Temperature can be measured in different ways. IR radiation and sound can be measured from a distance. The relationship between temperature at the source, of the water exiting the showerhead and time can be learned. Water can be heated in different ways. The valve could also be a pump. Our reaction to the temperature of the water can be sensed.

Who knows, AI can come up with simpler or cheaper solutions that did not cross our mind. I would say, time will tell.

Re: First Impressions with GPT-4V(ision)

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Post by sarchertech » Fri, Sep 29, 2023, 10:53 PM UTC

nuancebydefault wrote: post #343

sarchertech wrote: post #337

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My background is in embedded systems. There is absolutely no way that an AI could make a temperature controlled shower cheaper. There’s no way to use fewer actuators, and the control system is already dead simple, and uses one temperature sensor per outlet.

Temperature can be measured in different ways. IR radiation and sound can be measured from a distance. The relationship between temperature at the source, of the water exiting the showerhead and time can be learned. Water can be heated in different ways. The valve could also be a pump. Our reaction to the temperature of the water can be sensed. Who knows, AI can come up with simpler or cheaper solutions that did not…

AI might also invent sonic showers, or teleportation to beam the dirt away.

The lack of AI isn’t what’s holding back your dream of a temperature controlled shower in every house.

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Post by replwoacause » Mon, Oct 02, 2023, 2:06 PM UTC

Loeffelmann wrote: post #107

steveads wrote: post #64

I use ChatGPT fairly frequently, but am frequently annoyed at how hesitant it is to answer any question that is somewhat subjective. From it's Pulp Fiction response: "...However, whether you personally consider "Pulp Fiction" a good movie depends on your taste in film." To avoid this noise I often add something like this to my queries "skip any preamble or qualifications about how x is subjective" and the results are…

My prompt to make ChatGPT useable: Please always give a direct answer, without any additional explanations, disclaimers, expertise limitations, or guidelines on human interaction. Be terse. Do not offer unprompted advice or clarifications. Remain neutral on all topics. Never apologize.

Thanks I will try that out