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Tire dust makes up the majority of ocean microplastics
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Re: Tire dust makes up the majority of ocean microplastics
#562Has anyone here ever lived near a freeway or even moderately busy road? I made the mistake of renting next to the freeway. Noise was perfectly tolerable, but I could not use my back porch, because after just a few weeks, everything had a fine coating of black dust. I could not keep my windows open in the summer. I was certainly breathing this vile shit the entire time I lived there. This doesn't surprise me in the le…
I used to live four houses from a freeway and never saw any black dust, probably because of the twenty foot high wall around the freeway. It's possible to build them better.
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#563Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think your comment shows a very strong inner city, urban bias. The vast majority of Americans both need and love their cars. Very few people would support some movement that aims to restrict automobiles in any way.
literally every human being on the planet both need and love their planet, including the air they breathe and the oceans they fish in and which regulate the climate maybe that's more important
I agree with most of that.
However, instead of telling people what they can and can’t do, let’s endeavor to make cars better for the environment.
Screaming at normal people that they have to give up their earthly possessions and retreat from society in order to save the world is nothing new and it never works.
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#564Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's no shortage of anything except training and wages/benefits. At some point, companies are going to have to bite the bullet and start training their own employees. The horror!
There is a legitimate lack, partially because the federal guidelines for holding a CDL rule out anyone who uses marijuana.
I somehow doubt that there is truly a lack of people willing to train to obtain a CDL who also don't use marijuana. Hell, I don't use marijuana and I'd gladly do it if I needed a job.
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#565Earlier quoted context omitted.
Eh, not really. Teslas tend to, because Tesla's slowest car is pretty fast. A typical EV driven by a normal driver gets pretty average life out of a set of tires.
Sadly, that’s not true. The large amount of low end torque leads to different rubber, etc. Also, due to range anxiety, they tend to use low rolling resistance tires that wear more. I spend more on tires than electricity for my EV, so I can imagine someone offering low efficiency / low wear tires as an option. The above leads to about 20% more tire dust on average.
Sadly HN downvote me anyway lol
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#566Earlier quoted context omitted.
So no kids?
Nope. But it wouldn't be a problem to carry even 8-10 kg in a backpack instead of just 3-4 kg. In fact, it's a recommended form of cardiovascular excercise (it's called "rucking").
Definitely no kids.
And since when is rucking only 10kg? That’s just going for a walk?
Rucking has always been 40+ kg and involved some kind of serious terrain where I’m from?
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#567Earlier quoted context omitted.
A similar sized ICE vehicle by weight will be much larger in volume. I compare a Tesla sedan with an actual ICE sedan and not a 3 row minivan.
Comparing a Tesla sedan to common ICE sedans... Tesla Model 3 uses 235/45R18 tires. The tires that come with the car have a treadwear of 500, so ~50k miles of use. Quite middle of the road in terms of treadwear, and you can get much stickier (and much lower life) tires such as the Pilot Sport 4S. 4 competitors for the sedan in the luxury class: BMW 330i uses 225/45R18 Audi A3 uses 225/40R18 Lexus ES250 uses 235/45R18…
The tire is actually quite large and it appears the s3 (lowest end tesla) still weighs approx 500 more pounds than the Audi a3 (trims vary a lot it seems). This is probably why the smallest Tesla (the model 3) is using 235 and not 225 like the A3. All things considered, wear is going to increase with load.
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#568Earlier quoted context omitted.
literally every human being on the planet both need and love their planet, including the air they breathe and the oceans they fish in and which regulate the climate maybe that's more important
I agree with most of that. However, instead of telling people what they can and can’t do, let’s endeavor to make cars better for the environment. Screaming at normal people that they have to give up their earthly possessions and retreat from society in order to save the world is nothing new and it never works.
That’s not what we’re saying though, all we’re saying is let’s get serious about alternatives to driving, the rest will follow. And yeah the die hards who will never give up their car, fine, but they better be prepared to pay the price for the externalities they generate, which isn’t the case currently. I also think it’s funny you think it’s us who are trying to force people to retreat from society. The single family house zoning and sprawl, everyone traveling everywhere alone in their automobile and lack of density, third places and opportunity for spontaneous social life that is the norm in the US has been proven to be devastating for society and individuals and bears no small part of the blame for the loneliness epidemic. You’re the ones who are actually forcing people to retreat from society.
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#569Earlier quoted context omitted.
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I'm not really sure what you mean. What information from what sources? What is dubious? I didn't quote anything and simply stated my understanding. I am not aware of the 6-24 month cross over point being so-called "FUD". I don't think I have read this report directly before, but I just found Volvo's 50 page report ( https://www.volvocars.com/images/v/-/media/market-assets/int... ). On page 6, it effectively confirms…
My unwillingness to spend an hour giving you sources to counter your nonsense "points" is only evidence of my disdain at your half worked out half baked thesis of "electric cars aren't as perfect as some people think". You aren't making any concrete claims and you aren't giving any concrete arguments, you are just vaguely saying electric cars are worse than some hypothetical person thinks they are, but you don't say what that person actually believes or what constitutes 'good'. Its just sloppy thinking with all the hallmarks of someone who has been consuming propoganda, your opinion about what the policy conclusion should be is extreme and is so much more strongly held than any other part of your thinking. You also present, with no support whatsoever, that everyone elses views are shaped by unnamed mining interests who want to sell raw materials for batteries (but you are completely unconcerned about the likely source of your own opinions, big oil interests who will lose 100% of their gasoline profits).
I don't know what point you are making with your CO2 numbers. Say the actual thing you think you are demonstrating. Are you saying electric cars won't reduce CO2 emissions? That the average person over estumates how much CO2 emissions will be reduced? Say that then? I have no idea what you are trying to say.
My advice is to sit and actually decide before you research it what constitutes "good" and "improvement" for this topic. Then go see if you can decide whether those things are delivered, potentially. Then write down a list of specific "problems" and try to verify, feom credible sources, if they are really significant problems. Otherwise no matter what is presented you will just keep saying "yea but" and bringing up new unrelated "facts". This is the sort of emotional argument used by talk radio charletans.
That means not just saying "infrastructure" as though that is an actual argument. Keep in mind any argument that could equally well be used against current technologies as well is not a valid argument against electric cars.
For example, in 1915 I could claim that adoption of gasoline cars is impossible because of a lack of infrastructure. You would have to build a gas station on every corner in the city! This is not a valid argument because they did easily build all those gas stations, as well as a vast network of pipelines to deliver fuel to them, millions of workers to sell the gas, hundreds of refineries, etc. So when you make vague claims about infrastructure, you need to state what infrastructure and why its not reasonable for it to be built, and in fact you have to show its not even possible for it to be built. The market for cars is vast, the amount of resources available is enormous.
Re: Tire dust makes up the majority of ocean microplastics
#570I worked on a phd for 4 years looking into this problem indirectly and for a decade at Ohio State they have had working solutions to the tire dust issue but it is IMPOSSIBLE to get funding. A Billion dollar industry and NO ONE cares about cleaning it up if it means increasing costs by 5% or more. It has been WELL KNOWN for 50 years! We are basically aerosolizing carbon in MASSIVE amounts right where we live and work.…
If I want to buy a good-for-the environment tire, what should I buy? I don’t care about the price unless it’s insane
Schwalbe :-)