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Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by Self-Perfection »

soultrees wrote: post #4

I run my phone on DND all day, everyday and block notifications from almost all apps. The amount of garbage we have vying for our attention on an hourly basis is overwhelming sometimes. The worst is the apps where you do want notifications on, like your food delivery apps so you know when your food is at the door, but those companies take that as an invite to send you daily marketing notifications and it all feels li…

One don't need trust if money are at stake.

My attention is a valuable resource for me, and it is limited. So it should be bought.

We should make sending notifications billable and let users set price for sending notifications to them. And voila - problem solved!

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Post by wccrawford »

jjgreen wrote: post #298
seszett wrote: post #285

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> I stop hanging out with these types of people. It's a natural reaction, but these people are actually suffering from an addiction and for at least some of them (those who can take remarks and act on them) it's better to tell them in a friendly way that you are having a discussion. Most people are aware that cutting off a discussion is impolite and undesirable, they just don't realise they're doing it.

I admire your positive attitude, but it's similar to smackheads, they're just no fun to be around. "Have you thought of taking less Heroin" won't cut it.

I think you're getting downvoted because of your comparison to hard drugs, but you're not wrong about the people.

That phone is more engaging to them than the conversation they're in, and if you try to tell them about it, they use all the same excuses that other addicts use, plus a few more.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by technothrasher »

tsukikage wrote: post #303
alexanderchr wrote: post #79

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It is a breach of trust. I give apps access to my immediate attention so they can notify me of things that need my attention. Not for telling me about their new features or some crappy partner deal. For this reason I have a one strike policy for apps. One marketing notification and permissions are revoked. Missing out on surprisingly little although it has made me stop using some services entirely.

The entire purpose of getting you to install a mobile phone app is to push marketing notifications at you in a way that forces you to interact with them, if only to individually dismiss them. Whatever it is /you/ want to do with the app is incidental to this, and only of any concern to the extent that it helps convince you to install the app. Where it's possible to do the thing you want to do with a web browser (also…

> The entire purpose of getting you to install a mobile phone app is to push marketing notifications at you

Come on, now. You're being unfair. It is also serves the purpose of being better able to collect data on you for sale to other entities which want to push marketing notifications at you.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by wccrawford »

mr_mitm wrote: post #262
don-code wrote: post #228

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I also believe this. The counterpoint was made to me by a close friend who prefers to call (I also have friends who _only_ call) - "you really only engage people on your own terms" - which in some ways makes me a bad friend.

Well why not agree on a time to call via text so it can be on both parties terms. Or speak on my voicemail if they absolutely insist on calling, as I probably won't pick up.

When someone says "on your own terms" what they really mean is "I want it on my terms instead". There's no defense against it, because anything you suggest is "on your own terms" again.

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Post by technothrasher »

weikju wrote: post #294
HlessClaudesman wrote: post #266

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I have a zero strike policy: no social media, no games, no notifications. My phone is a tool, not a boss.

This. It’s not even worth playing the one strike game anymore, waste of time.

Yep, I've mostly given up on the one strike rule and gone to a "don't install any phone app unless absolutely necessary" rule. Much of the time I can avoid the app by either using their web site, or just forgoing whatever functionality the app provides. Airline apps, which can be useful during a trip, get installed when the trip begins and uninstalled as soon as the trip is over.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by ldng »

donmcronald wrote: post #179
alexanderchr wrote: post #79

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It is a breach of trust. I give apps access to my immediate attention so they can notify me of things that need my attention. Not for telling me about their new features or some crappy partner deal. For this reason I have a one strike policy for apps. One marketing notification and permissions are revoked. Missing out on surprisingly little although it has made me stop using some services entirely.

That's exactly what I do! Google and Apple could instantly fix the problem (of co-mingling essential and marketing notifications) if they wanted to . The current situation is like getting opted in to "street signs and flashing billboards". It's stupid.

GDPR is the acronym you're looking for ^^ Seriously, it helps a lot gating abuses like that.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by bertil »

offices wrote: post #327
bertil wrote: post #136

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Apple would be gaining so much goodwill and transforming the industry if they asked for feedback on notifications, and trained an ML system to decide which one to show.

>An ML system Or... a float?

Yeah, simple models work too.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by AA-BA-94-2A-56 »

tsukikage wrote: post #308
didntcheck wrote: post #287

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How do you know it's online bullshit and not a time-sensitive message from family? I'd never do it mid-sentance, but if I hear my Whatsapp notification tone then I will make a mental note to check that fairly soon, because sometimes it is something important

At what point did society, unprompted and unquestioned, shift to using the Whatsapp phone app for actually important urgent serious things instead of, y'know, SMS or a phone call?

I can answer this! The moment that one tenant in my house didn't have an iPhone, so couldn't be in the house group chat on iMessage. It would take too many calls to coordinate the six people we have at home. Group messaging is the best option, and of those, WhatsApp is the best option.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by eviks »

soultrees wrote: post #4

I run my phone on DND all day, everyday and block notifications from almost all apps. The amount of garbage we have vying for our attention on an hourly basis is overwhelming sometimes. The worst is the apps where you do want notifications on, like your food delivery apps so you know when your food is at the door, but those companies take that as an invite to send you daily marketing notifications and it all feels li…

Indeed, those are the worst because there is no customization available re. what you can block

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by [deleted] »

c0pium wrote: post #241
revscat wrote: post #239

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This path doesn’t seem to work very well.

Society’s stated preference is things like healthy food, paying as opposed to ads (not being the product), and no notifications. Society’s revealed preference is McDonald’s, watching YouTube ads, and letting apps send whatever notifications they want to. In general people care about the trade offs between cost and convenience, between cost and style, and not at all about anything so mundane as value, privacy, or peac…

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