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The Best Birth Control In The World Is For Men

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Re: The Best Birth Control In The World Is For Men

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Post by carbocation »

Resident_Geek wrote: post #39
carbocation wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Both parties are responsible, so there can and ought not be a single "best". "Best" is not any single method, but instead requires something from both parties.

All right, I see what you mean. I'll explain why I think there is a best method. For a single person considering the question on their own, the best choice is limited to what's available to them. Since there are (approximately) equal numbers of men and women considering this, neither population affects the universal rankings. But for a couple considering their birth control options, it doesn't matter on which of them…

What you have described is not a "best method;" it's a compromise due to limited resources. Using multiple complementary methods will always result in a lower risk than deciding on any one of the options.

Re: The Best Birth Control In The World Is For Men

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Post by jaggederest »

Lost_BiomedE wrote: post #28

I am always surprised that every discussion of vasectomy, and even this solution, hand-waves away the experience one undergoes in the process. Before doing this yourself, at least know what your getting into: http://thebrowser.com/articles/final-cut For example, compare "one little injection" to "I don't scream, but I clamp my jaw so tightly it clicks. I arch my back so much I end up looking behind me at the door."

That doctor was incredibly negligent about pain management.

There's a level called 'unconscionable pain' that is essentially always malpractice, and if you're clamping your jaw and arching your back reflexively, you've hit it and then some.

There's no reason not to mildly sedate a patient, and no reason why anyone should suffer undue pain. Sure, it'll hurt during recovery, but that's why they should issue with vicodin.

Re: The Best Birth Control In The World Is For Men

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Post by doah78 »

spydum wrote: post #3

I would be concerned about forgetting to get it redone on year 11.. then surprise! From the sounds of it though, you'd still have the same side effects of a traditional vasectomy: sperm granuloma. So one is mostly permanent (reconnection can happen, though super rare).. and one is only good for a few years? Yeah.. I think I'd wait for the first 10 years to see the efficacy.

Just schedule it along with your passport renewal! If you are in the US~

Re: The Best Birth Control In The World Is For Men

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Post by roguecoder »

angersock wrote: post #15
monochromatic wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is the best birth control in the world so one-sided?

Because men clearly are not as invested in the possible rearing of a child. Clearly. (seriously: making a kid should be && not || )

This will also let us stop hearing "men's rights activists" whine about child support. Didn't want to pay child support? Should have gotten the shot!

Re: The Best Birth Control In The World Is For Men

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Post by dfc »

ianferrel wrote: post #40
silentscope wrote: post #33

I do see a market with this, but it's got a lot of problems you'd need to navigate. Nothing a smart team couldn't figure out. Most of the time, men trust women when they say they're on birth control. Women get pregnant--a big deal. It's less likely (but not unheard of) that a woman wants to get pregnant and then lies about birth control. Men, on the other hand, would love to not use a condom. And men don't get pregna…

Isn't most non-condom birth control primarily intended for couples? All the other types prevent pregnancy only. Condoms prevent disease as well.

Hormone based birth control for women has ancillary health benefits outside of family planning.

Re: The Best Birth Control In The World Is For Men

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Post by hoprocker »

carbocation wrote: post #9

Let's not trivialize birth control with a title like this. Good birth control comes from empowering both partners, and protecting those who are unwilling partners. For women, an IUD is a great option. For men, barrier methods have been the only reliable, reversible methods until now. This is exciting, but let's not forget about the whole scope and meaning of self-control over reproduction.

Reportedly, when the pill was introduced, it empowered women by giving them much more control over their reproductive options. Afaik, this is the first non-barrier method of contraception that reliably provides the same freedom for men.

Re: The Best Birth Control In The World Is For Men

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Post by dfc »

jdoliner wrote: post #21
carbocation wrote: post #9

Let's not trivialize birth control with a title like this. Good birth control comes from empowering both partners, and protecting those who are unwilling partners. For women, an IUD is a great option. For men, barrier methods have been the only reliable, reversible methods until now. This is exciting, but let's not forget about the whole scope and meaning of self-control over reproduction.

In what way does this trivialize birth control? The ideal of birth control as a technology would allow anyone to cheaply turn their ability to reproduce on or off with no side effects. It's no more concerned with unwilling partners than willing, the technologies work the same for both. Judging from this article the method in question is getting pretty darn close to that ideal.

Its not ideal if it is only verifiable by one sex.

Re: The Best Birth Control In The World Is For Men

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Post by carbocation »

hoprocker wrote: post #46
carbocation wrote: post #9

Let's not trivialize birth control with a title like this. Good birth control comes from empowering both partners, and protecting those who are unwilling partners. For women, an IUD is a great option. For men, barrier methods have been the only reliable, reversible methods until now. This is exciting, but let's not forget about the whole scope and meaning of self-control over reproduction.

Reportedly, when the pill was introduced, it empowered women by giving them much more control over their reproductive options. Afaik, this is the first non-barrier method of contraception that reliably provides the same freedom for men.

Yes, this is great. It's the title that I find wrongheaded.

Re: The Best Birth Control In The World Is For Men

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Post by Resident_Geek »

carbocation wrote: post #41
Resident_Geek wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All right, I see what you mean. I'll explain why I think there is a best method. For a single person considering the question on their own, the best choice is limited to what's available to them. Since there are (approximately) equal numbers of men and women considering this, neither population affects the universal rankings. But for a couple considering their birth control options, it doesn't matter on which of them…

What you have described is not a "best method;" it's a compromise due to limited resources. Using multiple complementary methods will always result in a lower risk than deciding on any one of the options.

What I've described is why, in my opinion, birth control methods that target opposite genders are still mutually comparable.

Re: The Best Birth Control In The World Is For Men

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Post by carbocation »

Resident_Geek wrote: post #49
carbocation wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you have described is not a "best method;" it's a compromise due to limited resources. Using multiple complementary methods will always result in a lower risk than deciding on any one of the options.

What I've described is why, in my opinion, birth control methods that target opposite genders are still mutually comparable.

By that standard, an IUD is better than this because of the battery of Stage III and postmarketing trials supporting its effectiveness. But I disagree with your standard and find it to create a false dichotomy where there need be none.
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