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Re: OnlyOffice: Free open source office suite with business productivity tools

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Invasions_by_the_Unit... It's an entire category.

When was the last time the US attacked a nation to annex them into their sovereignty? Not in some abstract or vague manner, directly annexing them. Not defending any of the US' wars, but it's a little disingenuous to compare them to the Ukrainian conflict.

It is rather hypcritical to pretend the actions of the US are any different.

Re: OnlyOffice: Free open source office suite with business productivity tools

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I’m surprised ONLYOFFICE isn’t more popular in more distributions. It’s AGPL, open source, and almost infinitely more intuitive than LibreOffice to anyone coming from Microsoft Office.

There is some confusion here. The linked GitHub repo clearly says Apache License, but their commercial website does say AGPL. They're not even remotely similar. The AGPL is regarded as so toxic that nearly all companies where office suites matter, place it on a "do not use" list. It's a good way to artificially limit your potential customers. It doesn't matter that they have a page saying "sure go ahead and use it in…

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Re: OnlyOffice: Free open source office suite with business productivity tools

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post #114

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>When was the last time the US attacked a nation to annex them into their sovereignty? So invading and bombing other countries is now fine as long as you don't annex them? Good to know that's how far the goalposts have moved.

It makes more sense if you view america as a police officer. An officer would pull sometimes his weapon to prevent bad things from happening but the officer would never take the suspect as his personal slave like russia.

Much like a police officer would never rape women? The U.S. would like to be named world-police, however, that is mostly wishful thinking.

Re: OnlyOffice: Free open source office suite with business productivity tools

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It makes more sense if you view america as a police officer. An officer would pull sometimes his weapon to prevent bad things from happening but the officer would never take the suspect as his personal slave like russia.

>It makes more sense if you view america as a police officer. That's an absolutely insane comparison. Police are funded from your taxes to protect you. Countries haven't paid taxes tot he US to come invade/drone strike them. In your country, do police officers from other countries routinely break into your house to tear it up, steal your shit and beat you up for doing nothing? Sounds more like criminals than police.

It's a more nuanced issue. Roméo Dallaire would have to say something about it.

Re: OnlyOffice: Free open source office suite with business productivity tools

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Whataboutism at its finest people! They're all horrible. We know that. But this is about one particular country in context.

Its to make people consider why they're doing something and whether it's actually for the reasons they think by comparing to another situation where the same reasons hold but they didn't do the thing. It can be a useful tool for figuring out your own feelings.

I've been on the Internet long enough to know that a whataboutism post from a new user is not representing that situation.

Re: OnlyOffice: Free open source office suite with business productivity tools

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post #92

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Whataboutism at its finest people! They're all horrible. We know that. But this is about one particular country in context.

Its to make people consider why they're doing something and whether it's actually for the reasons they think by comparing to another situation where the same reasons hold but they didn't do the thing. It can be a useful tool for figuring out your own feelings.

The same reasons don't hold for me, because my country is friendly with USA and (currently) openly hostile to Russia. The same holds for most of the western world, so likely most of the HN readers. Nothing irrational in avoiding software controlled by your (country's) enemy.

There is also the emotional aspect that you dismiss. Using somebody's products, and especially paying for them, can be constructed as helping the company and thus indirectly helping the company's country. Not everyone wants to support the country they see as an aggressor. That's not contradictory too - many people in western countries are OK with helping the US, but very uneasy with helping Russia (reasons for this are a different topic).

Re: OnlyOffice: Free open source office suite with business productivity tools

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post #132

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How are they hurting western businesses by releasing OSS? We already have LibreOffice. What is the point of your comment?

Sure, they are OSS but how do you know what goes into their binaries? Being open source does not imply that the binaries are not backdoored.

Wouldn't it be relatively trivial for someone to compile, compare checksums and call them out?

It's more likely they'd introduce a security flaw that is hard to detect in the OSS code. If someone finds, they'd just claim it was a security incident which is now fixed (and then they'd move to another masked flaw).

Re: OnlyOffice: Free open source office suite with business productivity tools

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post #114

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>When was the last time the US attacked a nation to annex them into their sovereignty? So invading and bombing other countries is now fine as long as you don't annex them? Good to know that's how far the goalposts have moved.

It makes more sense if you view america as a police officer. An officer would pull sometimes his weapon to prevent bad things from happening but the officer would never take the suspect as his personal slave like russia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LasrD6SZkZk

In all seriousness, America does not pull their weapon to prevent bad things from happening (or at least, not primarily).

The US primarily works through Nato and the UN to intervene in their 'world police' role, but they are happy to start other conflicts without the support of Nato and the UN (see Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam, ~~Korea~~).

If the US were really the 'world police', then where were they in Rwanda, in Sudan, in North Korea, in Sri Lanka, in Nigeria, in Myanmar, in DRC, in Ethopia, what are they doing for the Uyghurs, the Rohingyas...

EDIT: see correction from OfSanguineFire, I was wrong about Korea, which was indeed a UN-led intervention.

Re: OnlyOffice: Free open source office suite with business productivity tools

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Not more than or less than using American or Israeli products.

I love it when every discussion about Putin's full-scale war in Ukraine gets derailed by "but the USA is doing the same".

Suppose that the USA works in the same way, bombing and shelling civilians every day, torturing and raping women and children, launching massive attacks on power plants during winter to freeze the population to death, abducting children from their parents etc. Suppose all this was true. Would it give Russia a moral excuse to do what they are doing?

Re: OnlyOffice: Free open source office suite with business productivity tools

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They try hard to whitewash their affiliations to russia for potential customers while still not condemning the war. Jetbrains at least had the courage to do so even though state-owned institutions in germany are checking to cut their ties even with them. I would strictly advise against using their (OnlyOffice) products if you're in a country (eu, america) that participates in the sanctions against russia.

Jetbrains is Czech, not Russian.

Things get a bit more complicated when the founders are russian and had R&D offices in russia. To my knowledge they claimed to have cut all financial ties to russia and they also positioned themselves publicly against the war.
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