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The Best Birth Control In The World Is For Men

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Re: The Best Birth Control In The World Is For Men

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because men clearly are not as invested in the possible rearing of a child. Clearly. (seriously: making a kid should be && not || )

Thank you. I was a little surprised that my comment got downvoted so much. Maybe this is due to the low percentage of female HNers? Its as if most people think that the pill would have been as revolutionary if it were for men instead of women.

Erm, I think there may have been a bit of a misunderstanding in my attempt at some dry humor. :(

I intended to imply disagreement with your claim, mostly due to the one-sided nature of it (as my parent reply suggested). I imagine the downvotes are due to the fact that your phrasing seems to imply that the male should have no say in the matter.

It's not that women should not have control over the process (perhaps even most of it), but that both parties need to have the ability to say, finally and without being overruled, "no this will not result in a child."

That was the purpose of my comment, it should be a

  (she->wantsChild() && he->wantsChild()) makeChild();
not

  (she->wantsChild() || he->wantsChild()) makeChild();
sort of deal.

EDIT: "Its as if most people think that the pill would have been as revolutionary if it were for men instead of women."

I think you've hit it right on the head here, though. The advent of the pill allowed for equality of sexes in the manner suggested above. Had it been for men, I don't think it would've changed much at all.

However, now that that is the case, we've kind of got a situation where women can choose to have relations without getting pregnant regardless of what their partner is doing, whereas for men the options are both limited and uncomfortable. A woman on the pill can have sex without protection (though there are obvious caveats, of course, know/trust your partner, etc. etc.) and still be assured of results, whereas for a man he pretty much has to either be wearing a condom (uncomfortable) or have had a vasectomy.

This would be another round of equalization, better for everyone.

Re: The Best Birth Control In The World Is For Men

#32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Intrauterine devices (IUDs) fit exactly that bill. But one of my points is that one form of birth control, only for men or only for women, shouldn't wear the title "best."

Have you ever had sex with someone who has an IUD. Or talked to a woman with an IUD to see her opinion on it? Because it's not all you make it out to be.

I'm curious what problems you have in mind. Of my friends who I know use an IUD, 4 out of 4 say some variation of "how could you consider using anything else?" The only complaint that I heard from this admittedly small sample is a day's worth of discomfort following insertion.

Re: The Best Birth Control In The World Is For Men

#33
I do see a market with this, but it's got a lot of problems you'd need to navigate. Nothing a smart team couldn't figure out.

Most of the time, men trust women when they say they're on birth control. Women get pregnant--a big deal. It's less likely (but not unheard of) that a woman wants to get pregnant and then lies about birth control.

Men, on the other hand, would love to not use a condom. And men don't get pregnant. So saying "yeah baby, I've had my shots" would probably be a lot more common.

You'd need to market this to couples. Relationships with trust--not teenagers. Or, as an "and-1", extra step prevention. Not as a first line of defense. Then, the low cost would be more of an extra procedure that would get them thinking more about being safer. You wouldn't hang your business model on it but could actually do more business by offering it.

Lastly, being a man, the idea of someone putting forceps in my scrotum gives me the willies. Just sayin'.

Re: The Best Birth Control In The World Is For Men

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Intrauterine devices (IUDs) fit exactly that bill. But one of my points is that one form of birth control, only for men or only for women, shouldn't wear the title "best."

Have you ever had sex with someone who has an IUD. Or talked to a woman with an IUD to see her opinion on it? Because it's not all you make it out to be.

As always, it depends on the woman; I know one who swears by them, though I've never had sex with her so I wouldn't know for sure.

Re: The Best Birth Control In The World Is For Men

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post #7
post #2

My girlfriend told me about this because she gets blood clots from hormonal birth control and we wish this was an option today. You should complete this survey like I did if you are interested: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/TSKSKGM

What happens with the survey? Are you affiliated?

No affiliation. I think they might contact you to get quotes for media about how cool it would be and to notify you of their progress.

Re: The Best Birth Control In The World Is For Men

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post #23

Oooo interesting. Now if they can slap an anti-virus on it, I'll be sold.

I believe from the article that it already neutralises HIV...

That's only male to female. Although upon further research, female to male infection has a very small chance of occurrence. Nonetheless, still risky!

Re: The Best Birth Control In The World Is For Men

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I am always surprised that every discussion of vasectomy, and even this solution, hand-waves away the experience one undergoes in the process. Before doing this yourself, at least know what your getting into: http://thebrowser.com/articles/final-cut For example, compare "one little injection" to "I don't scream, but I clamp my jaw so tightly it clicks. I arch my back so much I end up looking behind me at the door."

This is not a vasectomy. It's not even related to vasectomy. Please RTFA.

Re: The Best Birth Control In The World Is For Men

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And I disagree with that. If it's the best at controlling birth, it's the best birth control. Since all sex acts involve two people, and I have a really hard time picturing a form of birth control which targets both parties equally, which party benefits/is responsible for it/controls it is neutral for judging which form is best.

Both parties are responsible, so there can and ought not be a single "best". "Best" is not any single method, but instead requires something from both parties.

All right, I see what you mean. I'll explain why I think there is a best method.

For a single person considering the question on their own, the best choice is limited to what's available to them. Since there are (approximately) equal numbers of men and women considering this, neither population affects the universal rankings.

But for a couple considering their birth control options, it doesn't matter on which of them the responsibility and direct benefit fall. What matters is the effectiveness and side effects. So they can agree on which is best without worrying about who holds the responsibility, etc.

So, for example, the pill is better than condoms, because it has a lower failure rate and doesn't have the side effect of severely reduced pleasure. The fact that a single woman can't depend on condoms and a single man can't take the pill cancels out, because there's one of each of them, and the couple is making the choice for both of them.

Re: The Best Birth Control In The World Is For Men

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I do see a market with this, but it's got a lot of problems you'd need to navigate. Nothing a smart team couldn't figure out. Most of the time, men trust women when they say they're on birth control. Women get pregnant--a big deal. It's less likely (but not unheard of) that a woman wants to get pregnant and then lies about birth control. Men, on the other hand, would love to not use a condom. And men don't get pregna…

Isn't most non-condom birth control primarily intended for couples?

All the other types prevent pregnancy only. Condoms prevent disease as well.

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