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Amsterdam preparing to lower speed limit to 30 kilometers per hour

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Re: Amsterdam preparing to lower speed limit to 30 kilometers per hour

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I'd rather they just finished the job and installed higher speed people mover belts everywhere like in Caves of Steel (Asimov).

We could have public transit inter area rail / road / airport hubs that allow for higher speed transit between urban centers and the storage of cars / etc outside of the residential areas.

Re: Amsterdam preparing to lower speed limit to 30 kilometers per hour

#82

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Just in the UK it's like 5 road deaths a day or so. A pedestrian being killed by a car every single day. I've also read they've somewhere reduced speeds. I posted a graph in another comment here about the drastic effects such a small speed change has for survival rate. This can have a huuuge impact.

Do you want impact? Take tobacco out of the streets and you´ll see impact. This is just another free solution to an almost non existent problem.

That would be good too. Let's do both!

Re: Amsterdam preparing to lower speed limit to 30 kilometers per hour

#83

I think it's really funny how humans can't help but use round numbers. 30 kph = 18.64 mph 20 mph = 32.19 kph So safety rules around the world are based on arbitrary length systems. I'm all for lower speed limits for safety but I feel there is still things to be worked out in suburban settings where long arterial(?) roads carry large amounts of traffic in large cities.

2 km/h when you're reducing from 50 to 30 is a negligible difference, and round numbers are easier to keep to on analog/digital speed gauges, and easier to set manually on cruise control systems

Re: Amsterdam preparing to lower speed limit to 30 kilometers per hour

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What do you mean by suffer? I’ve never had any problem driving at any speed in any car apart from crawling (1-2km/h) in a manual.

Current petrol engines are designed operate at optimal efficiency in the 60-90 km/h range. Electric cars on the other hand can operate efficiently at much lower speeds due to how electric engines work. Efficiency here primarily refers to km/unit of energy. So if you care about minimising pollution in the city centres it's much better if all cars can drive either 70 km/h or not at all through city centres.

And of course regenerative braking greatly enhances electric car efficiency in city driving. The flip side is that the battery gauge usually drops alarmingly fast on the highway if you're mostly used to city driving.

Re: Amsterdam preparing to lower speed limit to 30 kilometers per hour

#85

In many older urban areas it's hard to get beyond 30km/hr just due to the traffic, narrow streets, lights, cobbles etc.

In many (also newer) urban areas in the Netherlands, narrow streets and cobbles are used intentionally to encourage lower speeds. The "30" sign is more of a last resort in that sense.

Re: Amsterdam preparing to lower speed limit to 30 kilometers per hour

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Ultimately the safest ways to prevent traffic deaths are to redesign the street so that drivers don't feel safe exceeding the speed limit. Amsterdam is certainly working on that, but it takes time to rebuild a street. The speed limit is a nice way of saying "if you're paying attention, you can be safer by doing this thing" while waiting for city-wide roadwork to complete. It's pretty clear to me that automobiles and…

Wow this is so retrograde that I feel I cant answer. To produce insecurity and danger to other human beings without understanding the necessity of moving fast in a crowded place like a city is the most inhuman solution I've heard in a long time. Why not better to create specific and separated fast lanes for those who have to move from one side of the city to the other to have normal lifes like taking kids to the scho…

> Why not better to create specific and separated fast lanes

Everywhere that has tried this has regretted it, because the volume of traffic induced is so high that the average journey speed ends up below 30km/h anyway. What a city needs to get millions of people across it is high volume public transport.

Re: Amsterdam preparing to lower speed limit to 30 kilometers per hour

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> Not surprisingly, the socialism is blatantly obvious. Seeing as the social democratic[0] PvdA is currently the largest political party in the Amsterdam city council[1], with the greens a close second, that's all in line with what the people of Amsterdam want. This is Europe. Socialism isn't a scare word here. If anything, it's a rallying cry. 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy 1. https://en.wikipedia…

Airbnb is rubbing hands.

That's probably going to end up banned as well, as it was in New York, in order to let people live in the city.

Re: Amsterdam preparing to lower speed limit to 30 kilometers per hour

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There's probably a huge cultural difference here, but the image there sure does not look like a 30km/h street to me --- more like a 30mph one. That said, I've seen pictures of other European streets, far narrower and meandering, where even 30km/h would seem too fast. It is also launching a campaign with the slogan: “We drive 30 for each other.” Not surprisingly, the socialism is blatantly obvious.

> Not surprisingly, the socialism is blatantly obvious. Seeing as the social democratic[0] PvdA is currently the largest political party in the Amsterdam city council[1], with the greens a close second, that's all in line with what the people of Amsterdam want. This is Europe. Socialism isn't a scare word here. If anything, it's a rallying cry. 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy 1. https://en.wikipedia…

Maybe you should ask some older eastern Europeans what they think about socialism, before haughtily speaking for everyone who lives in Europe. Socialism and its national variant wrecked Europe in the 20th century. People celebrated when it ended. To call it a rallying cry given that history is quite gross.

Re: Amsterdam preparing to lower speed limit to 30 kilometers per hour

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I think it's really funny how humans can't help but use round numbers. 30 kph = 18.64 mph 20 mph = 32.19 kph So safety rules around the world are based on arbitrary length systems. I'm all for lower speed limits for safety but I feel there is still things to be worked out in suburban settings where long arterial(?) roads carry large amounts of traffic in large cities.

That 'roundness' can be a pain. E-bikes are generally limited to an arbitrary 25kph (eu) - 5kph slower than a car at 30. Constantly in the way...it's one of two negatives I have regarding e-bikes: too slow for traffic, too fast for pedestrians/ shared paths.

Re: Amsterdam preparing to lower speed limit to 30 kilometers per hour

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Cities arent noisy?? where do you live lucky mate? I feel you guys live in an echo chamber full of avocado toasts and cappuccinos. Cities are crowded places full of noise pollution produced by humans being humans. Thats all. If people require silence go to the deep country. Next step, everybody shut the f... up to not bother the Karens.

"City" is a broad term, encompassing e.g. NYC, but also Amsterdam, with a population of a mere 900k. Most parts of Amsterdam are really pretty quiet when there are no/few/slow-driving cars.

Its so funny everybody is talking just about Amsterdam. Try this in Rome and then lets talk again. Guys, you´re forgetting cities are cultural places not robot factories. Cultural and existential differences are real and shouldn't be imposed by law just to recall quietness in a crowded place like a city in Europe where people live in the streets as a cultural thing. We´re constantly educating the population by law and not by the example and it´s to retrograde.
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