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Amsterdam preparing to lower speed limit to 30 kilometers per hour

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Re: Amsterdam preparing to lower speed limit to 30 kilometers per hour

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That's getting close to something reasonable to achieve on a (non-"e") bicycle. I have always wanted to get a speeding ticket on my bike, but never have.

In the UK, speed limits don't apply to cyclists so you'll be disappointed if you try it here.

But you can could get ticketed for dangerous cycling if you're going 'too fast' in the wrong place.

Re: Amsterdam preparing to lower speed limit to 30 kilometers per hour

#72
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The title makes it sound like streets in Amsterdam currently don't have a 30 km/h speed limit, and after December, they will all have a 30 km/h speed limit. The reality is that a lot of streets already have a 30 km/h speed limit, and have had them for years. It's been slowly expanding, and clearly will continue to expand even more. There will still be roads with higher speed limits, but their number will shrink. I ex…

They’re doing this in Reykjavik as well which is great, although enforcement is poor so on the larger roads that are now 50km/h everyone is still driving 70km/h as they were when the limit was 60km/h. Going back to the UK where a twisty road through my parents village with tiny pavements was 30mph was pretty shocking with how much more dangerous that felt.

from my experience the level of perceived dangerousness is proportional to your most recent experience.

drove in the center of Bucharest, Romania, where drivers constantly go over 70kmh (yes through the city center). then drove in London where 20-30mph felt ridiculously slow.

Re: Amsterdam preparing to lower speed limit to 30 kilometers per hour

#73

There's probably a huge cultural difference here, but the image there sure does not look like a 30km/h street to me --- more like a 30mph one. That said, I've seen pictures of other European streets, far narrower and meandering, where even 30km/h would seem too fast. It is also launching a campaign with the slogan: “We drive 30 for each other.” Not surprisingly, the socialism is blatantly obvious.

> It is also launching a campaign with the slogan: “We drive 30 for each other.”

> Not surprisingly, the socialism is blatantly obvious.

Because God forbid that people care about others in traffic.

Of course you care about the safety of others while driving. I shudder to think what traffic would be like in a country where people don't.

Re: Amsterdam preparing to lower speed limit to 30 kilometers per hour

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post #7

We've had a 20mph limit in towns here in Wales for a couple of weeks now. It seems to be going well where I am; the traffic is noticeably slower during the day (though the people who hoon about at night are still doing it) and the only negative effect I've noticed so far is it might be fractionally harder (as in one has to wait longer) to cross the road at places other than designated crossings, presumably because th…

I opted out of all tracking on Facebook, so now it serves me the average shite I assume gets shared a lot. Half the crap is people ranting about the speed limit in Wales, the other half is vandalism of low emission zone cameras and signs in London.

Well, from where I sit it looks like one formerly popular political party has seen what's coming up in its horoscope and has pinned its last hopes on turning these quality-of-life measures -- which it previously vociferously supported -- into a wedge issue by whipping up a frenzy around ThE wAr On DrIvErS!11!

Re: Amsterdam preparing to lower speed limit to 30 kilometers per hour

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There's probably a huge cultural difference here, but the image there sure does not look like a 30km/h street to me --- more like a 30mph one. That said, I've seen pictures of other European streets, far narrower and meandering, where even 30km/h would seem too fast. It is also launching a campaign with the slogan: “We drive 30 for each other.” Not surprisingly, the socialism is blatantly obvious.

Ultimately the safest ways to prevent traffic deaths are to redesign the street so that drivers don't feel safe exceeding the speed limit. Amsterdam is certainly working on that, but it takes time to rebuild a street. The speed limit is a nice way of saying "if you're paying attention, you can be safer by doing this thing" while waiting for city-wide roadwork to complete. It's pretty clear to me that automobiles and…

Wow this is so retrograde that I feel I cant answer. To produce insecurity and danger to other human beings without understanding the necessity of moving fast in a crowded place like a city is the most inhuman solution I've heard in a long time. Why not better to create specific and separated fast lanes for those who have to move from one side of the city to the other to have normal lifes like taking kids to the school or attending a meeting with a client?

Re: Amsterdam preparing to lower speed limit to 30 kilometers per hour

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you want impact? Take tobacco out of the streets and you´ll see impact. This is just another free solution to an almost non existent problem.

5 deaths a day in the uk is almost nonexistent? Keep in mind the massive number of minor and serious injuries that accompany that stat.

Now wondering if this will actually substantially benefit motorists: insurance premiums are proportional to the cost of accidents.

Re: Amsterdam preparing to lower speed limit to 30 kilometers per hour

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you mean to say "communism"? "Socialism" has a different connotation in Europe: it often means something softer, like just "social in nature" or "socially just".

No he probably meant he doesn't want to care about other people if it impacts him personally.

You can drive as fast as you want if you drive on a private road in the middle of nowhere with nobody else around. If you don't want to care about other people, cities are not the right places to go.

Re: Amsterdam preparing to lower speed limit to 30 kilometers per hour

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post #51

There's probably a huge cultural difference here, but the image there sure does not look like a 30km/h street to me --- more like a 30mph one. That said, I've seen pictures of other European streets, far narrower and meandering, where even 30km/h would seem too fast. It is also launching a campaign with the slogan: “We drive 30 for each other.” Not surprisingly, the socialism is blatantly obvious.

> Not surprisingly, the socialism is blatantly obvious. Seeing as the social democratic[0] PvdA is currently the largest political party in the Amsterdam city council[1], with the greens a close second, that's all in line with what the people of Amsterdam want. This is Europe. Socialism isn't a scare word here. If anything, it's a rallying cry. 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy 1. https://en.wikipedia…

Airbnb is rubbing hands.

Re: Amsterdam preparing to lower speed limit to 30 kilometers per hour

#79
post #5

Yes! This will save at least 3 lives a year! Even one life counts!

Cities are not a place for me live anymore. Airbnb, Uber, Uber-eats, delivery robots, security cameras everywhere, gentrification, poverty... It's ok if you guys feel this is normal but for me it´s too much. Cities were vibrant places to share experiences that today are a complete mess of zombies taking pictures for the trendy social network. And this is just one more drop to make cities more soulless and "2030 ready…

Wait, reducing the numbers of cars in the city makes it _more_ soulless? How on earth does that work?

Like, was an important part of your urban experience traffic noise, or the sound of ambulance sirens going to pick up a dead pedestrian? I'm genuinely a bit baffled by where you're coming from here.

Re: Amsterdam preparing to lower speed limit to 30 kilometers per hour

#80

This is wonderful. remember : Cities aren't noisy, Cars are noisy.

Cities arent noisy?? where do you live lucky mate? I feel you guys live in an echo chamber full of avocado toasts and cappuccinos. Cities are crowded places full of noise pollution produced by humans being humans. Thats all. If people require silence go to the deep country. Next step, everybody shut the f... up to not bother the Karens.

"City" is a broad term, encompassing e.g. NYC, but also Amsterdam, with a population of a mere 900k. Most parts of Amsterdam are really pretty quiet when there are no/few/slow-driving cars.
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