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Canada ditches the penny

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Re: Canada ditches the penny

#21
post #5

A brilliant decision. Now if we could only get rid of our 1 euro cent here. According to some inflation figures I quickly found on the internet, a (US dollar) penny had a hundred years ago 23 times as much buying power as a penny nowadays. That means the smallest denomination was then was worth almost as much as a quarter is now! People could get by without smaller coins then and they should be able to work perfectly…

Even better: the US used to have a half-cent but they abolished it in 1857 due to its lack of value. With inflation, it's worth more than today's dime.

Re: Canada ditches the penny

#22
post #5

A brilliant decision. Now if we could only get rid of our 1 euro cent here. According to some inflation figures I quickly found on the internet, a (US dollar) penny had a hundred years ago 23 times as much buying power as a penny nowadays. That means the smallest denomination was then was worth almost as much as a quarter is now! People could get by without smaller coins then and they should be able to work perfectly…

This would not fly in Germany. Change is always exact.

Re: Canada ditches the penny

#24
post #20

Just as a point of interest, Australia removed the 1 and 2 cent coins from circulation back in 1992. Prices have been rounded to the nearest 5 cent value when paying with cash ever since. A comment on this thread said that it's madness, but it's all someone my age has grown up with.

As a fellow Australian the pennies aren't what I found most bizarre about US and Canadian currency, I more often found myself getting tripped up by the fact that listed prices in US and Canadian stores never include sales tax.

Re: Canada ditches the penny

#25
post #10

If the customer has the pennies, they can use them. Payments with debit or credit cards, or cheques, can also be to the penny. But if the customer is paying cash and doesn't have the pennies, the total will go up or down to the nearest nickel. For example, $1.02 will become $1 and $1.03 will be $1.05. Something just feels wrong about rounding. The customer would always get screwed. They should solve this problem by u…

That sounds like a nightmarish tax policy. Moreover one of the best things for consumers was when the stock market changed quotes from fractions to cents.

Moreover one of the best things for consumers was when the stock market changed quotes from fractions to cents.

Why?

Re: Canada ditches the penny

#26
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, the prices are before tax. I think there is even a law against showing prices with tax for whatever reason.

I thought they don't include tax so they don't have to change it every time the tax rate change.

I suspect pricing of goods changes more often than sales tax rates.

Re: Canada ditches the penny

#27
post #3

This line-item is basically a smokescreen for cutting all sorts of other important things (like the research tax credit, SR&ED; various social programs; the budget for our national broadcaster, the CBC; and the salary of the Chief Electoral Officer): http://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/rjrfn/the_budget_5_b... Amusingly this particular cut was actually a private member proposal from the NDP (the left-most mainstre…

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Re: Canada ditches the penny

#29
post #25
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sounds like a nightmarish tax policy. Moreover one of the best things for consumers was when the stock market changed quotes from fractions to cents.

Moreover one of the best things for consumers was when the stock market changed quotes from fractions to cents. Why?

Because it gave an advantage to market makers and large institutional traders. I can look for some of the research if you are interested...

This is from the SEC at the time: http://www.sec.gov/news/testimony/ts092000.htm

It should be a good starting point if you are interested. There was also a NYT article that was very succinct but I can not find the citation at the moment.

EDIT:

I'm at a loss for why this was downvoted. Decimalization is widely held to be a huge win for consumers. It's almost laughable to think otherwise.

From the NYT:

"There is a potential for investors to save hundreds of millions of dollars, but some of those savings are likely to be offset by increased commissions. Brokers have made substantial profits by pocketing the spread, and in some cases have been able to charge low commissions -- or, in extreme cases, no commissions -- on trades in stocks with large spreads, because of those profits.

It was the discovery that brokers in the Nasdaq market had been conspiring to keep spreads high on many stocks that began the inexorable move toward decimalization. The Securities and Exchange Commission imposed new rules last year that partly integrated electronic markets, like Instinet, that were previously available only to institutional investors, into Nasdaq. Suddenly, quotes with spreads of less than one-eighth were available." [1]

[1] http://www.nytimes.com/1997/06/06/business/so-long-fractions...

Re: Canada ditches the penny

#30
post #3

This line-item is basically a smokescreen for cutting all sorts of other important things (like the research tax credit, SR&ED; various social programs; the budget for our national broadcaster, the CBC; and the salary of the Chief Electoral Officer): http://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/rjrfn/the_budget_5_b... Amusingly this particular cut was actually a private member proposal from the NDP (the left-most mainstre…

from reddit:

  SR&ED is [reorganized.]
Whew, so it's not completely axed. If anything Canada needs significantly more investment and tax programs like this. Brain drain has always been a problem for Canada because of the lack of investment from the government and the lack of tech-oriented VC.
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