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Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by lm28469 »

haltist wrote: post #17

Sometimes I will be having a conversation with someone and then their phone will buzz or make some sound and the person's attention will shift entirely to the phone. I don't think people realize the effect these gadgets have on their cognition. I have a phone but it is always on silent. I've decided that it is not acceptable to remotely hijack my attention. No notification on my phone sent by some corporation is ever…

> I have a phone but it is always on silent

Same here, the only time it'll make noise is if my gf calls twice in a row or if there is a national nuclear war alert

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

c0pium wrote: post #241
revscat wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This path doesn’t seem to work very well.

Society’s stated preference is things like healthy food, paying as opposed to ads (not being the product), and no notifications. Society’s revealed preference is McDonald’s, watching YouTube ads, and letting apps send whatever notifications they want to. In general people care about the trade offs between cost and convenience, between cost and style, and not at all about anything so mundane as value, privacy, or peac…

> Society’s revealed preference is McDonald’s

Without government restrictions, is society's revealed preference also widespread use of hard drugs?

Ever since opium wars, unadressed drug use was a problem that required active internevtion.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by nathancahill »

squeaky-clean wrote: post #232
015a wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bumble is really similar and disgusting. By default, notifications are enabled for both messages (which are a pretty good thing to have notifications turned on for) and once or twice a day Peak Cringe marketing push notifications. They have the ability to turn off specific kinds of notifications, but one of the categories is "The Good Stuff: Turning these off means you'll miss out on our most exciting pushes of all!"…

Instagram for me. I don't use it much but have a few friends who message through it, or at least send some memes. If I enable notifications for that, I get daily notifications that someone I might know has joined Instagram, someone I know posted to their story... It's about 1:4 real notifications vs "Please spend more time on our app"

IG (and FB) at least have decent fine-tuning controls.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by OfSanguineFire »

anigbrowl wrote: post #192
thenerdhead wrote: post #34

Jonathan Haidt has done a great job advocating this problem and is writing a book coming out this next year called "The Anxious Generation": https://jonathanhaidt.substack.com/p/phone-free-schools https://jonathanhaidt.substack.com/p/sapien-smartphone-repor... https://jonathanhaidt.substack.com/p/social-media-mental-ill... This isn't something that can be solved with "better tech". It is something that is solved with…

It is something that is solved with "less tech" or "no tech" entirely. i don't believe that. I love technology and always want to have access to a computer (although I also love leaving it off and using paper or analog tools). But I have a pretty unforgiving standard for people-misusing-technology. Last week I went into a store I hadn't seen before, specializing in imported Asian liquors, drinks, cocktail stuff. I de…

Liquor stores in the US are prime targets for armed robbery. It is completely unsurprising if one doesn't want to handle cash at all.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by gambiting »

fooker wrote: post #155
gambiting wrote: post #76

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Hahahahaha - sorry, the mere suggestion that Google cares enough about this to "penalize" anyone who ignores this system is actually really funny to me. No, of course they don't do any such thing. The system is entirely and completely optional, and developers have long ago realized that actually using it is to their own detriment, because users will just block the marketing notifications but leave the important ones,…

Is it really that surprising to you that something Google has created works better than something Apple has created for a specific narrow problem? These are all trillion dollar companies, your allegiance is wasted.

....my "allegiance" if you want to call it that is entirely to Google, so I don't understand your point? Did you somehow get from my point that I'm an iOS user???

>>that something Google has created works better

Does it? The system for categorizing notification does exist on android, but it's not enforced in any way by Google on the Play Store so most devs ignore it - do you take an issue with anything I said?

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Post by baz00 »

015a wrote: post #60
soultrees wrote: post #4

I run my phone on DND all day, everyday and block notifications from almost all apps. The amount of garbage we have vying for our attention on an hourly basis is overwhelming sometimes. The worst is the apps where you do want notifications on, like your food delivery apps so you know when your food is at the door, but those companies take that as an invite to send you daily marketing notifications and it all feels li…

Bumble is really similar and disgusting. By default, notifications are enabled for both messages (which are a pretty good thing to have notifications turned on for) and once or twice a day Peak Cringe marketing push notifications. They have the ability to turn off specific kinds of notifications, but one of the categories is "The Good Stuff: Turning these off means you'll miss out on our most exciting pushes of all!"…

I just turn all notifications off on Bumble. After talking about it on dates, it turns out nearly everyone does it anyway.

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Post by baz00 »

robocat wrote: post #142
jbverschoor wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no way to flag spam / marketing. Uber for example occasionally sends marketing. But you can't really disable notifications. Instead, they (large companies) should just pay x cent per notification to Apple (not the user, because that would be seen as credit, eliminating the purpose)

I only install Uber when I want to catch an Uber. Helps with notifications, tracking, and avoids impulse usage.

Yeah this. I uninstall it when I'm done or it starts bugging the fuck out of me.

Sometimes I think "should I install it" before getting one and get public transport or get on my bike instead.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by jfoster »

soultrees wrote: post #4

I run my phone on DND all day, everyday and block notifications from almost all apps. The amount of garbage we have vying for our attention on an hourly basis is overwhelming sometimes. The worst is the apps where you do want notifications on, like your food delivery apps so you know when your food is at the door, but those companies take that as an invite to send you daily marketing notifications and it all feels li…

Luckily there's a lot of food delivery apps. Make being less annoying a point of competition. Pick the least annoying ones and uninstall the others.

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Post by j-bos »

alexanderchr wrote: post #79
soultrees wrote: post #4

I run my phone on DND all day, everyday and block notifications from almost all apps. The amount of garbage we have vying for our attention on an hourly basis is overwhelming sometimes. The worst is the apps where you do want notifications on, like your food delivery apps so you know when your food is at the door, but those companies take that as an invite to send you daily marketing notifications and it all feels li…

It is a breach of trust. I give apps access to my immediate attention so they can notify me of things that need my attention. Not for telling me about their new features or some crappy partner deal. For this reason I have a one strike policy for apps. One marketing notification and permissions are revoked. Missing out on surprisingly little although it has made me stop using some services entirely.

I have the habit of force stopping any questionable application (uber) as soon as I stop using it. That and limiting permissions to when the app is actually open.

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Post by Reflecticon »

wallhack wrote: post #85
haltist wrote: post #17

Sometimes I will be having a conversation with someone and then their phone will buzz or make some sound and the person's attention will shift entirely to the phone. I don't think people realize the effect these gadgets have on their cognition. I have a phone but it is always on silent. I've decided that it is not acceptable to remotely hijack my attention. No notification on my phone sent by some corporation is ever…

Yeah, and it’s also incredibly rude. Like, we’re having lunch together in person, and mid-sentence, they disappear into their phone for minutes at a time. I stop hanging out with these types of people. If online bullshit is more important than actual real life, what is even the point? I leave on notifications for calls and calendar events. That’s it. Texts are silenced but appear on the lock screen. Everything else i…

YOUR behavior is weird? Looks more like your friends are justifying their behavior to continue doing what they are doing.
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