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Re: RIM reports Q4 miss; Balsillie resigns as director, CTO out

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Hey guys, remember: They make tools, not toys. Too bad everyone else is busy buying phones that can do both.

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."

I find it incredible that RIM or their customers did do all of these things. In fact, a lot of the major phone companies did this, even Nokia and Microsoft.

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Serious question: What viable options do they have besides being acquired?

The time for small course corrections has long since passed.

The main option for them is to become smaller, and to do one thing well. Their perceived strengths are mobile messaging (BBM) and "security". If they became a software only company then they would be at the mercy of their (fickle) partners to get it deployed. When they are playing the hardware game then there is ferocious competition and you have to do a full software stack (proprietary or adapting Android/WinMo).

In their position I would do exactly one hardware device that is a best of breed, adapt Android for it and have a layer of BBM/security on top. I'd try to get the BBM/security licensed by as many manufacturers as possible and use the own hardware as a showcase. Eventually the hope would be to get out of the hardware business - it exists purely to ensure there is at least one way to market.

There is so much to be done on the communication side with lots of half assed solutions. On the security side consider running an IT department or being a consumer and a device is stolen. Now list what sensitive information was on the device.

Re: RIM reports Q4 miss; Balsillie resigns as director, CTO out

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In an attempt to alleviate the craptuclar collection of software, RIM gave out free Playbooks to Android Developers.

Having now played with one I don't think it's that bad of a device, and I certainly trust it more than an iPad or Android tablet.

However RIM is missing key software that they should have provided.

1) The PDF reader works, but it's functionality is as bad as the Adobe Reader on Android.

2) The browser experience has thus far been not so bad. Things work for me on the Playbook that crash on Android browsers. A desktop mode for the browser (like Dolphins, but without the crashing) is necessary.

3) A remote desktop client?

4) A VNC client?

5) Busybox!

6) Putty!

7) Python and/or Ruby

Re: RIM reports Q4 miss; Balsillie resigns as director, CTO out

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Witness failure: many people even 2 years ago said the co-CEO's need to either clean up shop or walk out... now that RIM's market is entirely ceded to Android/iOS... NOW they start shaking things up? Chances are, RIM will never be great again - they lost their edge, then sat on their hands for years living off yesterday's big hits. Question is, do they have anything that a acquiring company might find worth purchasin…

I'd argue their hardware is still better designed than that of most Android vendors, especially for text input speed and accuracy. Where RIM went wrong was underestimating the importance of software and the surrounding ecosystem. Their App store was dreadful.

Incidentally, this is perhaps where Nokia did the smart thing by recognising similar weaknesses in their software strategy, and teamed up with Microsoft.

Imagine a world where RIM had licensed Android 2 years ago as their primary OS for all current BlackBerries. They would probably be the world's number one phone vendor right now.

Reminds me of a line from one of my favourite authors:

"Maturity...is knowing what your limitations are".

Re: RIM reports Q4 miss; Balsillie resigns as director, CTO out

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Serious question: What viable options do they have besides being acquired?

They have $4.2 billion in revenue per quarter, that's huge, and they still have a lot of users. They could easily scale back their ambitions and become very profitable, abandon the playbook, reduce their workforce, move focus to East Asia, and keep milking every cent out of the old-fashioned phones they kept pumping out long after Apple ate their lunch.

Re: RIM reports Q4 miss; Balsillie resigns as director, CTO out

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post #7

Serious question: What viable options do they have besides being acquired?

I see tons of BlackBerries in Mexico, when three years ago there were none. They have become an affordable phone here that works just fine for Facebook, email and chatting.

In a certain sense they are the old reliable Nokias of yesteryear.

I don't pretend to play analyst, but I think there's a huge market in producing affordable and sturdy smartphones for third world countries. To many it's their only way to get online.

Re: RIM reports Q4 miss; Balsillie resigns as director, CTO out

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Hey guys, remember: They make tools, not toys. Too bad everyone else is busy buying phones that can do both.

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." I find it incredible that RIM or their customers did do all of these things. In fact, a lot of the major phone companies did this, even Nokia and Microsoft.

This is the most important topic in this discussion and maybe the most topic for any startup or company in general. How do prevent your business from becoming obsolete? Is that even possible in the long run for IT firms? How about staying hungry or at least not becoming arrogant like RIM?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

patents? i'm sure apple could do with their push email patents. they make a nice keyboard based phone. a version of android on their hardware might do well. i have heard and seen blackberries take a lot of punishment and keep going. when they were at their height in the usa i only ever saw one customer with one here in ireland. though i saw them every day on public transport and in use on dublin streets. since they s…

Maybe I'm not understanding, but there are a variety of options for touchscreen android phones on prepay here in the U.S.

i was thinking more along the lines of keyboard based android devices. rim have shown they can build heavyduty hardware that can take a lot of punishment.
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