Interesting, the linked paper [0] does show they controlled for physical activity here, since I would assume someone who gets more sun exposure, is outside more. If they really have controlled for that factor, shouldn't we see similar results from people with sedentary lives, but high UV exposure? (possibly by regular use of tanning beds or the like?) Being prescribed UV exposure is an interesting idea for the future…
I feel like they should prescribe sunlight for prisoners. I was held for 10 years without seeing the sun, and many jails and prisons are built on budgets that don't allow for any sunlight.
Unexpected benefits of sun exposure on skin
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Re: Unexpected benefits of sun exposure on skin
#82I've been living in Australia and New Zealand, and have been terrified of sun exposure - during peak times (summer mid-day) it's scary how quickly you can burn. However I also have low vitamin D. My current strategy is to check the UV levels (I've got a widget on my personal dashboard) and whenever the UV levels are moderate or below, I try to get as much sun exposure as possible - shorts and t-shirt, or topless. I t…
Where do you get the UV data from?
Re: Unexpected benefits of sun exposure on skin
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
Right, people who have lived natively there have evolved physical coping mechanisms which must be taken into account when they move to other geographical areas. The reverse for "plains" people who move to high altitudes. Right from the beginning i had felt that the whole Sun Exposure/Skin Cancer/Sunscreen debate was nonsensical without understanding the "original adaptations" of the people involved. I remember an art…
Right, people who have lived natively there have evolved physical coping mechanisms which must be taken into account when they move to other geographical areas. The reverse for "plains" people who move to high altitudes. What coping mechanisms would that be? Right from the beginning i had felt that the whole Sun Exposure/Skin Cancer/Sunscreen debate was nonsensical without understanding the "original adaptations" of…
One example; King of the Mountains: Tibetan and Sherpa Physiological Adaptations for Life at High Altitude - https://journals.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/physiol.000...
> What "original adaptations" are you referring to?
That should have been obvious from the context. A people's "native and niche" geographical area in which they evolved to adapt. Eg. Chukchi in the Arctic (tolerance to extreme cold by increased basal metabolic rate and blood pressure), Bajau Freedivers of Indonesia (much larger spleen) etc. More prosaically darker skin as you get closer to the equator and lighter skin as you go away from it.
> How about you give us a reference to this article before paraphrasing from memory?
How about you understand what is meant when i have said "which i read a long time ago"? I myself have been searching for this for a while now but i don't recall the title and hence am unable to find it. However, One very good example of BMI vs. Fat is this video about the epidemic of diabetes in poor countries that aren't overweight where the British and Indian scientists measure their fat content (the wai wai paradox at 7:40) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGuED1JczbI
Re: Unexpected benefits of sun exposure on skin
#84This is not even remotely surprising to me. I've always been a bit skeptical of "the sun is evil" (and got even more skeptical when I was told I should wear sunblock inside!) and ensure I get 20 minutes full body exposure daily in the summer. Anecdotally, I can tell a general difference in my mood and sleep during periods where I get adequate sun vs. when I'm not (and I supplement vitamin D when I'm not). While I am…
A lot of the "sunscreen inside" people are those trying to maximize their visible skin health and beauty. If you don't care about your physical looks, as least above all else, I imagine the trade off to getting regular direct sunlight is well worth it. But it is fairly intuitive that sunlight's ultraviolet radiation at any strength is going to degrade your skin over long periods of time.
Except for the 'sitting in office all year and then sit in the sun for two weeks straight and get 14 sun burns is not good, so you should use sunscreen' message, which is not very helpful and could conclude also that one 'should expose to sun moderately, e.g. at least an hour a day if possible'.
Re: Unexpected benefits of sun exposure on skin
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
A lot of the "sunscreen inside" people are those trying to maximize their visible skin health and beauty. If you don't care about your physical looks, as least above all else, I imagine the trade off to getting regular direct sunlight is well worth it. But it is fairly intuitive that sunlight's ultraviolet radiation at any strength is going to degrade your skin over long periods of time.
Could you link to studies backing up your claim about 'visible skin health and beauty'?. I have searched for these a lot, but I cannot find thorough literature study type of research about this. Except for the 'sitting in office all year and then sit in the sun for two weeks straight and get 14 sun burns is not good, so you should use sunscreen' message, which is not very helpful and could conclude also that one 'sho…
Re: Unexpected benefits of sun exposure on skin
#86This is not even remotely surprising to me. I've always been a bit skeptical of "the sun is evil" (and got even more skeptical when I was told I should wear sunblock inside!) and ensure I get 20 minutes full body exposure daily in the summer. Anecdotally, I can tell a general difference in my mood and sleep during periods where I get adequate sun vs. when I'm not (and I supplement vitamin D when I'm not). While I am…
Re: Unexpected benefits of sun exposure on skin
#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
Could you link to studies backing up your claim about 'visible skin health and beauty'?. I have searched for these a lot, but I cannot find thorough literature study type of research about this. Except for the 'sitting in office all year and then sit in the sun for two weeks straight and get 14 sun burns is not good, so you should use sunscreen' message, which is not very helpful and could conclude also that one 'sho…
Not sure about studies, but in a recent deep dive into skincare, all the YouTubers I watched considered it a basic fact, so the assumption is definitely prevalent. Studies would most likely be sponsored by skincare companies.
Re: Unexpected benefits of sun exposure on skin
#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I am very curious about the reason(s) why so many of us do. > ps. yes, I do know about skin cancer and have several friends and family that experienced it. How are you still curious then?
Well, for a start, two people in that group wore sunblock religiously. But that's just anecdata, and I would certainly ridicule e.g. anti-covid vaccine arguments framed like that. It seems that the argument that solar exposure causes cancer, and if not cancer than weathered leathery skin when you're older, has been widely and effectively made, and this has been enough to get most people to hedge and just use sunblock…
Yes, that is literally it. That is why people wear sunblock, including "religiously". They don't want cancer or prematurely aged skin.
> m not convinced they're wrong - I'm more interested in the way sunblock brings out my own inner "conspiracy" self, even if I don't feel inclined to defend that version of me
Again I'm completely lost. Is the conspiracy that people don't want cancer?
Re: Unexpected benefits of sun exposure on skin
#89Interesting. I've never been that worried, my skin doesn't burn easily even though I'm very fair-skinned and live in Spain and often hike outdoors. I just hate that SPF stuff on my skin. It makes it sticky and makes me feel dirty. Instead I just try to avoid burning. I do bring some for when it does start but it almost never does. What I do to avoid it works well enough. What I tend to do is just take the shady side…
Zinc oxide doesn’t give that chemical feeling, doesn’t stain clothes/etc, doesn't poison the environment, and is also more effective at blocking broad spectrum UV than the oxybenzones/etc.
Re: Unexpected benefits of sun exposure on skin
#90This is not even remotely surprising to me. I've always been a bit skeptical of "the sun is evil" (and got even more skeptical when I was told I should wear sunblock inside!) and ensure I get 20 minutes full body exposure daily in the summer. Anecdotally, I can tell a general difference in my mood and sleep during periods where I get adequate sun vs. when I'm not (and I supplement vitamin D when I'm not). While I am…
A lot of the "sunscreen inside" people are those trying to maximize their visible skin health and beauty. If you don't care about your physical looks, as least above all else, I imagine the trade off to getting regular direct sunlight is well worth it. But it is fairly intuitive that sunlight's ultraviolet radiation at any strength is going to degrade your skin over long periods of time.
As an example of this, see this delivery truck driver who had the sun hitting mostly the left side of his face for twenty-eight years:
* https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trucker-accumulates-skin-damage...