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Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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Post by donkeybeer »

scarface_74 wrote: post #230
donkeybeer wrote: post #229

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And how is he supposed to tell how it will work with your devices? He already said examples of how many devices he has and that it works with, and you did the same for yours. You haven't presented any standard spec and pointed to the part where the spec states the figure that lists the max number of devices. He shared some spec, I am sure you could find some number there.

Because I know how to Google “how many devices does the JBL headphones support”

Apparently 8 with some gotchas? But in principle this should not be gated to a hardware, what is stopping one from making a bluetooth device that muxes all the signals and sends it to the audio device? Is there any reason thats not happening other than greed of the headphone makers to try to upsell "higher models"?

Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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Post by PrimeMcFly »

scarface_74 wrote: post #227
PrimeMcFly wrote: post #224

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Your suggestion makes a ton of sense. It's astounding how many HN people are so hardcore capitalists to be against such a simple suggestion.

It’s not hard core capitalism. It’s that geeks hate when people make their own choices without government interference because normal people don’t care that they can’t run Linux on the Apple Pencil. It’s also naiveté to think that government power isn’t the most dangerous kind of power imaginable even though almost every law proposed by the government with regards to tech is roundly criticized by the same people.

The suggestion was simply that companies that make more than 10 billion should be forced to give back to society. That's it. To be against that is indeed hard core capitalism, bordering on religious fervor.

Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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Post by PrimeMcFly »

scarface_74 wrote: post #228
PrimeMcFly wrote: post #226

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The Dell XPS 13 inch series was a great pick, and then there was an Asus series, I think the 'B' series, that weighed less than a macbook air, had much longer battery, and had far more ports. Also could be charged with only a usb c cable, no special adapter. Why would you doubt there are better options? The whole thing about the PC market is it has a much greater diversity of choices. It's silly to think Apple simply…

All USB C MacBooks have always been able to be charged via USV C or MagSafe for the ones that come with it. Was this the best you could do - worse performance, loud, poor battery life, poor display, poor audio? The very first review I found https://www.theverge.com/23674395/dell-xps-13-2022-intel-rev... I’ll do the bottom line up front In the past, the XPS 13 was a hands-down contender for the best laptop on the mark…

You realize there are multiple XPS laptop models, right? Not to mention you are overexaggerating the alleged negative aspects quite a lot . Are you really that addicted to the Apple kool-aid?

Go look at some of the Asus models than if you think an XPS can't compete. Weighed less than a macbook air, more port including ethernet (via a HDMI port), something like 21 hours of battery life, weight was slightly under a pound IIRC.

There's plenty of other models/companies.

The biggest benefit? It's not Apple locking you into their ridiculous ecosystem. But I suspect you're fine with that. Pretty funny in another comment you talk about governments restricting geeks, yet you advocated for the most locked down nannyed device you can hand over money to buy.

Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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Post by scarface_74 »

PrimeMcFly wrote: post #233
scarface_74 wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All USB C MacBooks have always been able to be charged via USV C or MagSafe for the ones that come with it. Was this the best you could do - worse performance, loud, poor battery life, poor display, poor audio? The very first review I found https://www.theverge.com/23674395/dell-xps-13-2022-intel-rev... I’ll do the bottom line up front In the past, the XPS 13 was a hands-down contender for the best laptop on the mark…

You realize there are multiple XPS laptop models, right? Not to mention you are overexaggerating the alleged negative aspects quite a lot . Are you really that addicted to the Apple kool-aid? Go look at some of the Asus models than if you think an XPS can't compete. Weighed less than a macbook air, more port including ethernet (via a HDMI port), something like 21 hours of battery life, weight was slightly under a pou…

So, now you’re going to find the Asus or Dell that has

- 16 hours battery life

- fanless

- doesn’t scorch my nuts

- performance?

- a decent display

- and doesn’t weigh a ton?

So please tell me how the Mac keeps you from running the software you want.

But you named how great the objectively shitty Dell is.

You’ve already struck out with the Dell, care to try again with Asus? Can you cite a review of an Asus that compares?

Even though the Dell sucks in every dimension, at least you have “freeduhm”

Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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Post by scarface_74 »

PrimeMcFly wrote: post #232
scarface_74 wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not hard core capitalism. It’s that geeks hate when people make their own choices without government interference because normal people don’t care that they can’t run Linux on the Apple Pencil. It’s also naiveté to think that government power isn’t the most dangerous kind of power imaginable even though almost every law proposed by the government with regards to tech is roundly criticized by the same people.

The suggestion was simply that companies that make more than 10 billion should be forced to give back to society. That's it. To be against that is indeed hard core capitalism, bordering on religious fervor.

They do give back to society - they provide jobs, pay taxes, and mobile has created millions of jobs and put computers in billions of people’s pockets.

Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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Post by scarface_74 »

donkeybeer wrote: post #231
scarface_74 wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because I know how to Google “how many devices does the JBL headphones support”

Apparently 8 with some gotchas? But in principle this should not be gated to a hardware, what is stopping one from making a bluetooth device that muxes all the signals and sends it to the audio device? Is there any reason thats not happening other than greed of the headphone makers to try to upsell "higher models"?

“8 with some gotchas”. That’s a rousing endorsement of open standards.

Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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Post by donkeybeer »

scarface_74 wrote: post #236
donkeybeer wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently 8 with some gotchas? But in principle this should not be gated to a hardware, what is stopping one from making a bluetooth device that muxes all the signals and sends it to the audio device? Is there any reason thats not happening other than greed of the headphone makers to try to upsell "higher models"?

“8 with some gotchas”. That’s a rousing endorsement of open standards.

Its not open enough. If it was open enough I could feed it any signal I want into the audio interface, including from any bluetooth device to MUX them how I want.

Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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Post by smoldesu »

scarface_74 wrote: post #208
smoldesu wrote: post #192

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Design-by-committee doesn't sound half-bad if it can standardize a single serial cable that doesn't have licensing fees . Doesn't resemble an unreasonable use of government power at all.

I don’t think that’s the argument you think it is. Thought experiment, grab a random USB C cable, now tell me: 1. What speed can you transfer data through it? 2. How much power can it deliver? 3. Can it support video over USB C? 4. Say a random device comes with a USB-A cable on one side and a USB-c on the other. Now take a standard usb c/usb c cable, will it always charge the device? Also when that same government f…

> Thought experiment, grab a random USB C cable, now tell me

Oh, easy. Apple already solved this one; if it has the Thunderbolt logo, it's maxed out. If it's anything else, you're usually getting at least 5w charging and USB 2.0 speeds. In other words, the worst-case scenario is usually slightly better than Lightning.

Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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Post by smoldesu »

scarface_74 wrote: post #236
donkeybeer wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently 8 with some gotchas? But in principle this should not be gated to a hardware, what is stopping one from making a bluetooth device that muxes all the signals and sends it to the audio device? Is there any reason thats not happening other than greed of the headphone makers to try to upsell "higher models"?

“8 with some gotchas”. That’s a rousing endorsement of open standards.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

1. Your Bluetooth radio determines how many simultaneous connections you get. It is at least 2 on Bluetooth 4.0+.

2. You are conflating cloud pairing (Apple's feature) with multipoint pairing (everyone's feature). They coexist.

3. 8 devices is generally the hard limit on all consumer Bluetooth radios, from the iPhone to Nintendo Switch.

Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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Post by spookie »

scarface_74 wrote: post #211
thomastjeffery wrote: post #198

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How in the world is your everyday experience "better" today as a result of Apple's vertical integration? Spoiler: it isn't.

Really? I have a silent fanless MacBook Air running an Apple designed chip, with an Apple written OS where I can move my cursor between it and my iPad sitting right besides it and my keyboard and mouse can control both seanlessly. It also gets 16 hours of battery life. And then I have a Windows laptop with piss poor battery life, sounds like a 747 at idle and runs hot enough that if I actually put it in my lap , it w…

Colleagues of mine aren't able to use their Macs for work since they're unable to target the hardware we're working on.

Perhaps with Asahi Linux they could. But even then, support isn't great.

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