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12,000-year-old realistic human statue was unearthed

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Re: 12,000-year-old realistic human statue was unearthed

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That's not what I consider a "realistic human statue" ?

In that time there is relatively little figurative art of humans. Rarely seen in cave painting, etc. The nearest would be the Venus figurines but they don't typically show facial features or internal anatomical details. It's a major major find bro.

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That's not what I consider a "realistic human statue" ?

We're talking anthropology here, not art criticism. It's leagues more realistic than anything we've uncovered. Something like the bronze charioteer which is incredibly vivid and accurate is made nearly 10,000 years later than this one.

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Yet more astonishing finds from the PPNA! Contemporaneous or even earlier than the Balıklıgöl statues, but the piece and its expression is far beyond it. Each time I think I won't be surprised by another Turkish find and yet . .

Looking at the oldest finds on a world map, I can't help wondering what sort of finds are in those areas less developed - or more wrought by internal violence - were those places to suddenly be easy to roam for archeologists. If Iran were as accessible as Germany, who knows what the equivalent of the Hohlenstein Löwenmensch would be? The events of the early 21st century (can and will) cast a long shadow in the scholarship.

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> featuring a lifelike facial expression Notice that, although it was a completely alien culture in a very far away time, before agriculture and writing, we still know what a lifelike facial expression looks like. Many things vary from culture to culture. Facial expressions, at least many of them, are consistent across humanity. If someone stubs their toe or tastes something delicious, you'll know without words. Look…

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Re: 12,000-year-old realistic human statue was unearthed

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

One technique is radiocarbon dating: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiocarbon_dating EDIT: For artefacts made entirely out of stone, you can date objects in the sediment around them to get an approximation.

But that only works for organic material. Not stone.

There is organic matter buried in and around the site that can be used to date the point at which it was filled in.

Re: 12,000-year-old realistic human statue was unearthed

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post #61
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That's not what I consider a "realistic human statue" ?

In that time there is relatively little figurative art of humans. Rarely seen in cave painting, etc. The nearest would be the Venus figurines but they don't typically show facial features or internal anatomical details. It's a major major find bro.

I suspect it’s more a problem about longevity of the artifacts, rather than lack of talent or knowing one can pick up some mud and form a shape.

They had very similar general intelligence and talents as us, at that time, and tens of thousand of years before. Today, it’s not terribly hard to find artistic kids who can mold extremely good faces, ponies, or whatever else they choose, from a lump of play dough. I assume artistic people existed then too, with comparable talent and frequency, unless there was some catastrophic non-artist pruning that happened very very recently.

Re: 12,000-year-old realistic human statue was unearthed

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope. > Prehistory, also called pre-literary history, is the period of human history between the first known use of stone tools by hominins c. 3.3 million years ago and the beginning of recorded history with the invention of writing systems. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistory The big deal is that these art works are far more sophisticated that anything else we have seen so early.

This is one common definition of the term history, but it's not a very good one and largely relegated to outdated encyclopedia entries rather than describing how professionals investigate history. It's very poor as a technical definition. For instance, does "history" in an area start when someone writes something, or does the writing have to survive to the present day? Does only one person need to write, or does it n…

IDK, seems fine, ambiguities and all. Not everything has to be, or can be, math or formal logic to be useful for communication.

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If you're interested in learning more about these incredible Turkish archaeological sites, I can't recommend the YouTube channel Miniminuteman [0] enough. Milo is extremely passionate about his field of study and makes highly entertaining and informative videos about archaeology and anthropology, including a recent series where he became the first real archaeologist ever to be allowed to film a documentary on-site at…

I just found him on Friday and lost the weekend. I can definitely say that his passion is infectious and makes the topics far more interesting.
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