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Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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Post by scarface_74 »

thomastjeffery wrote: post #198
scarface_74 wrote: post #65

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There are so many flawed analogies here it’s hard to know where to start. How will it make my everyday experience better as an Apple customer without the integration of software and hardware between my Mac, iPads Watch, Airpods and phone? Windows laptops are worse in every vector than MacBooks. No consumer is asking for this. So you want to degrade the user experience for “freedom” by giving the government more power…

How in the world is your everyday experience "better" today as a result of Apple's vertical integration? Spoiler: it isn't.

Really?

I have a silent fanless MacBook Air running an Apple designed chip, with an Apple written OS where I can move my cursor between it and my iPad sitting right besides it and my keyboard and mouse can control both seanlessly. It also gets 16 hours of battery life.

And then I have a Windows laptop with piss poor battery life, sounds like a 747 at idle and runs hot enough that if I actually put it in my lap , it would endure that I don’t ever have any little Scarface’s

On the phone side, the day that Apple releases a new version of iOS, it’s immediately available worldwide for every iPhone that was introduced in the last four years. Is the same true for Android devices?

Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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PrimeMcFly wrote: post #207
scarface_74 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are so many flawed analogies here it’s hard to know where to start. How will it make my everyday experience better as an Apple customer without the integration of software and hardware between my Mac, iPads Watch, Airpods and phone? Windows laptops are worse in every vector than MacBooks. No consumer is asking for this. So you want to degrade the user experience for “freedom” by giving the government more power…

> Windows laptops are worse in every vector than MacBooks. Plainly not true. Some are better hardware/quality wise. All are better when it comes to freedom with what you can actually do with the device.

Is there one Windows laptop that can get 14 hours of battery life, fanless and that runs at a decent speed?

Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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Post by scarface_74 »

vetinari wrote: post #193
scarface_74 wrote: post #182

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Or you can go even further back when Microsoft was caught stealing QT code because they couldn’t do video competently themselves and Apple could (circa 1995). And every Mac geek knew how to work around it either via free third party software or just using AppleScript https://osxdaily.com/2007/01/30/play-quicktime-movies-full-s...

Nah, they didn't, when Jobs said someone has stealing his code, he meant that someone did something similar. Like "stealing his ideas". Also in 90's, there was no applescript support on macos classic qt, and third party players like vlc didn't exist yet either (not that they ever ran on classic). I know, I was mac user back then and I remember.

No, Microsoft actually stole QuickTime code.

https://thisdayintechhistory.com/12/06/apple-sues-over-quick...

Someone doesn’t know their history…

Also, the look and feel lawsuit happened before Jobs came back and within a few months after he came back, he settled all of the claims.

Your memory is spotty

Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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Post by scarface_74 »

smoldesu wrote: post #189
scarface_74 wrote: post #183

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That’s still less than the 6 devices I have..

Next you're going to ask how high into the air I can piss?

No, it’s still a substandard “solution” and not exactly a great argument. I told you the devices I use with my AirPods.

Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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Post by scarface_74 »

jandrese wrote: post #164
scarface_74 wrote: post #59

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Yes, it’s a dumb idealistic idea that never worked in practice. Geeks spent forever trying to get crappy drivers working IRQ conflicts fixed, etc. It wasn’t until Windows 95 and WinHec and “Plug and Play” that x86 based PCs became usable for the mass market

That was largely hardware issues. In particular without a way to negotiate between drivers conflicts were doomed to happen regardless of who was writing the driver, especially with the relatively small number of resources to pull from.

And yet, Apple’s integrated solution didn’t have those issues with the Apple // in 1977 yet alone the Mac II with Nubus in 1987.

Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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Post by andromeduck »

mschuster91 wrote: post #30
askonomm wrote: post #13

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Well that world would suck immensely, with horrible integration between hardware and software like exists right now outside of the Apple world. Case in point: can you copy text on your phone, and paste in your computer (and vice versa), seamlessly as if it were the same device, without any configuration, hacks or programs needed? Things like that are amazing and I'd never give up. And I'm sure most people wouldn't wa…

> Well that world would suck immensely, with horrible integration between hardware and software like exists right now outside of the Apple world. Why? The hardware people at companies like NVIDIA or Apple already have to write detailed documentation for their stuff anyway so that the software people can do their side. Assuming they do a good enough job at writing documentation and testing their hardware, it should no…

Documenting this in detail is neigh impossible. Ashai Linux has the benefit of having working code to RE - this wouldn't work for silicon or board bring up.

Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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Post by PrimeMcFly »

scarface_74 wrote: post #212
PrimeMcFly wrote: post #207

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> Windows laptops are worse in every vector than MacBooks. Plainly not true. Some are better hardware/quality wise. All are better when it comes to freedom with what you can actually do with the device.

Is there one Windows laptop that can get 14 hours of battery life, fanless and that runs at a decent speed?

There are windows laptops that advertise over 20 hours of battery life with top current or last gen Intel and AMD processors.

Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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Post by renewedrebecca »

coldtea wrote: post #76
scarface_74 wrote: post #65

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There are so many flawed analogies here it’s hard to know where to start. How will it make my everyday experience better as an Apple customer without the integration of software and hardware between my Mac, iPads Watch, Airpods and phone? Windows laptops are worse in every vector than MacBooks. No consumer is asking for this. So you want to degrade the user experience for “freedom” by giving the government more power…

> How will it make my everyday experience better as an Apple customer without the integration of software and hardware between my Mac, iPads Watch, Airpods and phone? Perhaps that's the wrong question. Perhaps "making my everyday experience better as a customer" is not the be all end all.

Ah, I see the new marketing slogan for the FOSS movement is finally ready.

Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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Post by scarface_74 »

PrimeMcFly wrote: post #218
scarface_74 wrote: post #212

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Is there one Windows laptop that can get 14 hours of battery life, fanless and that runs at a decent speed?

There are windows laptops that advertise over 20 hours of battery life with top current or last gen Intel and AMD processors.

Care to name a laptop with the performance, size, weight, and battery life running x86 chips like the MacBook Air - and that won’t fry my nuts when on my lap or sound like a 747 from the fans running?
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