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Tire dust makes up the majority of ocean microplastics

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Re: Tire dust makes up the majority of ocean microplastics

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So many comments here about American spread which I agree on but how to fix it? Even in the Bay Area where cars are hated it’s pretty much a requirement at some point. I always had a dream that some commercial developers built tried building some communities where green space and commercial store front was baked in. Essentially building some tasteful strip malls in the center of the community and making sure a grocery store leased part of it.

Then I always realize that it’s actually probably pretty hard to manufacture this. Which grocery store do you get to move in? Do you allow liquor stores or do you just let the market decide what moves in? You have to have some influence by building it and planning it though.

That always leaves me down the road that I think it’s partially a failure at the local government level and how we do zoning. At the same time though I dont think Americans want to live Asian style in massive apartment skyscrapers or in close quarter multistory buildings with store fronts on the first level. It’s as much of a cultural problem as it is zoning.

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Great question, I have no idea. I wish the nationwide 55mph speed limit were reinstated, if only to reduce oil consumption. Added bonus that it might actually encourage more public transit and walkable cities. Nobody will take this idea seriously, the US is far too addicted to cars and lacks the density.

> I wish the nationwide 55mph speed limit were reinstated In places like SF and LA, even existing traffic laws are not enforced due to "equity". https://www.ghsa.org/resources/Equity-in-Highway-Safety-Enfo...

That link you posted says nothing of the sort.

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Hah! Cars have been around for just a hundred years or so, and yet serious efforts to reduce our dependency on them are "near impossible." Talk about recency bias.

Would you say something similar about computers?

No. But we're talking about cars, not computers, and their novelty is just one among many strong pieces of evidence that a much less car-dependent society is possible, even desirable. Perhaps you can refute the existence billions of people on the planet who live without commuting via car, or the dense networks of public transit which they often rely on?

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Residents of American suburbs should have to pay for their full costs (infrastructure and maintenance, environmental, healthcare, services, ...), and if many people can't afford it, we should do a universal cash subsidy to every resident at the federal level to make up the difference so the transition is not so damaging, then let people decide if they really want to spend that whole amount on paying the actual costs…

This is an interesting theory, but I'm not sure you can prove it. What's a way in which the USA "subsidizes" suburbs?

Roads, utilities, emergency services…

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That said brake dust is an environmental problem.

But most of it does biodegrade so it is short time problem vs very long time problem.

Copper, which was (is?) the most problematic part doesn't.

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Residents of American suburbs should have to pay for their full costs (infrastructure and maintenance, environmental, healthcare, services, ...), and if many people can't afford it, we should do a universal cash subsidy to every resident at the federal level to make up the difference so the transition is not so damaging, then let people decide if they really want to spend that whole amount on paying the actual costs…

I don't think it's broken. I think it's working as intended, but what it's optimizing for (people raising families) is perhaps not what you'd like for it to optimize for. Whether it's the right or wrong thing to optimize for is another conversation, but you may be surprised about what the collective political will of the US expresses. I think you'd be hard pressed to find a voting majority support for the idea that "…

American style suburbs are worse for raising a family than living in a city. Long commutes practically remove one or more parents from the equation 5 days a week. Long bus rides compromise sleep and exercise etc.

All for a back yard that’s rarely used and worse in just about every way than a nice park.

What they are is a cheap imitation of the wealthy enclaves near cities that only work because so few people can afford to live in them. You can imitate such buildings cheaply, what you can’t do is build or maintain the support structures which made such places so appealing.

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Residents of American suburbs should have to pay for their full costs (infrastructure and maintenance, environmental, healthcare, services, ...), and if many people can't afford it, we should do a universal cash subsidy to every resident at the federal level to make up the difference so the transition is not so damaging, then let people decide if they really want to spend that whole amount on paying the actual costs…

I don't think it's broken. I think it's working as intended, but what it's optimizing for (people raising families) is perhaps not what you'd like for it to optimize for. Whether it's the right or wrong thing to optimize for is another conversation, but you may be surprised about what the collective political will of the US expresses. I think you'd be hard pressed to find a voting majority support for the idea that "…

Suburbs are not the only place to raise kids though. Probably not the best place for it either.

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That's why so many people are cautious about "EVs to save us all", to put it mildly. We are so focused on climate change and greenhouse gases that we do not see a lot of other issues and may exacerbate some of them in the process of decarbonisation.

This sentiment is just contrarianism, I think. I've lived in Los Angeles my whole life and the difference that clean air standards make is obvious. The black dust isn't just tire and brake dust. It's also soot and it used to be much much worse. Nothing is a silver bullet but I'll be much happier when we're done with ICE noise and exhaust.

Generally agreed, but the noise from cars is mostly friction and turbulence (and honking/sirens). Switching to electric won't solve that.

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New Zealand plans to charge road user charges for EVs next year AFAIK. This is a per km tax, though don't believe it has a weight consideration

All vehicles in NZ pay road user charges; EVs have just been exempt to encourage uptake. There are RUC weight classes but they only exist to separate light ( =3500kg) vehicles rather than distinguish between a Nissan Leaf (1600kg) and a Ford Ranger (2100kg).

Uh, no. All non-petrol powered vehicles pay road user charges.

For petrol vehicles we tax the petrol instead. This is because the cost of compliance is much cheaper (for the government and the car owner) if we tax the petrol. We don't do that for desil vehicles because a large about of desil is used by farm equipment and other off road vehicles. It's easier to do road user charges than to have a refund scheme for desil taxes.

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