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Re: Celebrity Flights

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Post by fragmede »

recursive wrote: post #39
sublinear wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's missing here is a sense of scale. Routine private jet flights are nothing compared to last mile freight such as Amazon. Short frequent trips by delivery drivers from your local warehouse to your doorstep should not be so wasteful. The largest source of pollution is freight in general. Hating on individuals solves nothing at all.

Celebrities probably order from Amazon too.

> I mean it's one banana, Michael. What could it cost? Ten dollars?

If you had people to do that for you, why would you do that yourself? You tell your personal assistant to get a new iphone for you, new drapes for the living room, whatever.

Re: Celebrity Flights

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Post by monero-xmr »

mcbrienollie wrote: post #22

Since 99.9% of the flights and the people are already registered, there should be a worldwide limitation per each of the person for CO2 emissions.

If your goal is to cause a revolution, then limiting freedom by “carbon emission limits” is an effective way to do it.

Re: Celebrity Flights

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Post by BrianHenryIE »

seeknotfind wrote: post #35
mcbrienollie wrote: post #22

Since 99.9% of the flights and the people are already registered, there should be a worldwide limitation per each of the person for CO2 emissions.

The ability to restrict something doesn't imply it's ideal to restrict that thing. Some people should use more CO2, just like some people should go to space, or some people should be lawyer.

Sure, but it's important to put that in the context of the vast majority of the world's population who never fly, me who flies maybe three times a year, and people who flight weekly or more for the purpose of entertainment or a luxury lifestyle.

Make it progressively more expensive to fly more miles to moderate the excesses; offer tax breaks where it is beneficial for the entire community.

Re: Celebrity Flights

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Post by jonplackett »

mcbrienollie wrote: post #22

Since 99.9% of the flights and the people are already registered, there should be a worldwide limitation per each of the person for CO2 emissions.

Yeah it’s one of the few things where we have all agreed, and decided we’re fine about the need to have verified government ID to do it.

A limit of miles/kg per person would be a very simple database to set up

Re: Celebrity Flights

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Post by [deleted] »

fragmede wrote: post #40
seeknotfind wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ability to restrict something doesn't imply it's ideal to restrict that thing. Some people should use more CO2, just like some people should go to space, or some people should be lawyer.

There are heavy restrictions on the number of people you're allowed to kill.

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Re: Celebrity Flights

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Post by monkeywork »

mcbrienollie wrote: post #22

Since 99.9% of the flights and the people are already registered, there should be a worldwide limitation per each of the person for CO2 emissions.

That is some high-level authoritarian nonsense right there. Should there also be limits on how many KM's a person can drive a year? How many often the BBQ in their backyard?

What is the penalty for exceeding said limit in your fantasy?

edit

Just out of curiosity I took what seems to be the "average" of the reported number of billionaires in America as 800, and the average yearly CO2 from flying via the linked article at a high point of also say 800 tons (which is likely high but easy math). That works out to 640000 tons of CO2 from all the billionaires flying around in a year.

Another quick search on how much CO2 is produced in the USA per year came out as 5.2 billion metric tons.

That means these flights are accounting for 0.0123076923% of the USA's CO2 production ... or put another way it's a rounding error.

Re: Celebrity Flights

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Post by adriand »

sublinear wrote: post #29
icpmacdo wrote: post #20

Pointing towards this to help reconcile some of the hypocrisy from celebrity messaging seems productive towards better discourse on climate change imo

What's missing here is a sense of scale. Routine private jet flights are nothing compared to last mile freight such as Amazon. Short frequent trips by delivery drivers from your local warehouse to your doorstep should not be so wasteful. The largest source of pollution is freight in general. Hating on individuals solves nothing at all.

That’s not true. The carbon emissions of rich people are enormous compared to that of regular people. Here’s just one finding, that the richest 1% of the world’s population cause as much carbon emissions as the poorest 50%:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/sep/21/worlds-r...

Re: Celebrity Flights

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Post by saghm »

seeknotfind wrote: post #35
mcbrienollie wrote: post #22

Since 99.9% of the flights and the people are already registered, there should be a worldwide limitation per each of the person for CO2 emissions.

The ability to restrict something doesn't imply it's ideal to restrict that thing. Some people should use more CO2, just like some people should go to space, or some people should be lawyer.

The idea that some people will use more of a resource than another doesn't imply it's ideal to have no limit whatsoever on its usage either though; there might be some amount of CO2 that's unreasonable for a single person to use, just like having different professions being useful doesn't mean that every possible profession (like murder for hire) should be allowed.
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