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Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by iteria »

aidos wrote: post #97
jethro_tell wrote: post #54

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Yeah, dealing with schools doesn't fill me with hope about our kids future. Here's a email with a PDF containing important dates and updates about the cursive program. Lol, great.

It’s even worse than that - every class has a parent led WhatsApp group set up where people then regurgitate the same info into the chat. I suggested maybe a calendar instead but got the standard “it’s all too hard” responses.

Unfortunately they have to if they want to make sure parents get it. Every week my school's sends out a weekly email of everything happening in the quarter with emphasis increasing as time get closer. Then there's emails for when parents actually have to do something like sign up. There's physical flyers. There's the private Facebook like app that reiterates when parents have to do something. And the public Google calendar. Parents STILL miss it. And it's not even a few. At this point I just assume I have to tell people in person with my own mouth if I want to make sure they'll do the thing for their kid (and thus make my kid's day better)

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by masfuerte »

aidos wrote: post #66
sergiomattei wrote: post #58

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You handed your 11 year old a smartphone? That’s brave. My parents handed me one when I was in 9th grade.

I don’t know how long ago that was so it’s hard to say “things are different now”, but my 11 year old can’t take the school bus without having a mobile app for her ticket.

Are you sure? I don't have a smartphone and I also live in England. There are lots of services where the happy path expects a smartphone but I'm yet to find a service that actually requires it.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by almatabata »

standardUser wrote: post #6

I think it's vital to strictly manage what notifications we allow our phones to give us. Unfortunately, I've noticed a trend where apps are becoming less cooperative. Many apps will have a single all-or-nothing notification setting. Others have dozens of vague, poorly-labelled categories. And all of this is hidden several clicks deep in configuration settings. The result is that we can't be sure which notifications t…

They probably did all of this to increase some KPI. The more fine grained authorization system problem resulted in less interactions. A lot of applications have too many incentives to keep you engaged as long as possible.

I think apple has a nice setting where you can disable all notifications after a certain time slot in the evening. But this only works in the evenings, during the day they can still spam all day long.

At this point i cannot trust application developers anymore so we probably need an additional layer between the application and the OS to filter the notifications. If applications do not want to give you fine grained permissions. All you can do is give the application the permission and then have an additional layer filter the notifications with some kind of firewall rule.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by jethro_tell »

mkl95 wrote: post #91
jethro_tell wrote: post #65

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Limit work app notifications then? I don't get email updates for work accounts, limit slack notifications and still put everything in a work profile. When I'm not working, I turn everything off but my pager. If you need me after my working hours feel free to page me, if IRS jot important enough to page then you'll have to wait until I get back to my desk.

I muted a ton of useless Slack channels everyone is expected to be in, but some bot notifications somehow get through. It got worse lately which I assume is an Android or Slack bug, or both. Slack + bad management is the ultimate job enshittifier.

Sure, but monitor group slack Channels on your computer. Sure everyone needs to be in #company-announce but you surely don't need to read that outside of the times you are at your desk.

You can limit notifications to direct mentions and times as well.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by rkagerer »

We need to start treating human attention as the scare, valuable resource it is. (Ditto for consumer goodwill).

Defaults on smartphones today make them worse than the annoying, noise-making novelty toys you used to buy your neighbours kids to drive their parents crazy.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by mortigi »

soultrees wrote: post #4

I run my phone on DND all day, everyday and block notifications from almost all apps. The amount of garbage we have vying for our attention on an hourly basis is overwhelming sometimes. The worst is the apps where you do want notifications on, like your food delivery apps so you know when your food is at the door, but those companies take that as an invite to send you daily marketing notifications and it all feels li…

I would argue an even worse situation are apps like Wyze camera that really need notifications enabled to alert you to camera movement, doorbell usage or other pressing events.

They have an option to opt out of marketing notifications but they ignore it if you check that and still send sometimes daily notifications of sales through of their crap.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by MichaelRo »

sergiomattei wrote: post #58
MichaelRo wrote: post #38

My kid (soon to be 11 years old) has this problem and is (almost) driving me nuts. There are three causes of this: 1) He's dumb. Will click and install on any crap he comes by. 2) He doesn't know to operate his phone. Every now and then I take his phone and turn off notifications for the apps I saw that popped them. #3: This one's mysterious to me as well. Somehow they (the notifications) get re-enabled back. I'm dis…

You handed your 11 year old a smartphone? That’s brave. My parents handed me one when I was in 9th grade.

Not only that, he's using my Google account, so it's managed as one of my devices :) With full access to unrestricted YouTube premium, Google Play, etc.

He's only got limits with respect to the time he spends on the phone or PC. So far hasn't discovered or been interested in "naughty" content.

I was forced to live in the "middle ages", communist Romania with no TV, no electricity, go to bed at candle's light, half an hour of cartoons on TV per week when that wasn't canceled to show the achievements of The Great Leader instead. I won't deny my kid access to entertainment and technology in the name of some dreamed up "Amish lifestyle / return to innocence" because there's no such thing.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by TeMPOraL »

mr_mitm wrote: post #105
gambiting wrote: post #76

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Hahahahaha - sorry, the mere suggestion that Google cares enough about this to "penalize" anyone who ignores this system is actually really funny to me. No, of course they don't do any such thing. The system is entirely and completely optional, and developers have long ago realized that actually using it is to their own detriment, because users will just block the marketing notifications but leave the important ones,…

Huh. It really worked well for me so far. Interesting.

You're lucky. I found that even Google doesn't respect their own categories, and happily bucket useful information together with spam.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by root_axis »

Sarkie wrote: post #13
asynchronous wrote: post #8

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Uber is terrible at it.

Uber Eats. I need the notifications for a taxi not marketing for groceries during the week

It's trivial to manage on android.

https://i.imgur.com/w3A9Bge.png

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by TeMPOraL »

foooorsyth wrote: post #104
olalonde wrote: post #93

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Maybe they could use the click-to-dismiss ratio as a spam signal? Or even speed-to-dismiss (people probably tend to dismiss spam notifications more quickly).

Maybe, but I think playing with meta-metrics is a dangerous game. I know plenty of people that just let notifications pile on. Some people have weird flows — e.g. see notification, don’t interact with it directly, then manually navigate to and enter the app that notified. I really just think individual notifications (not apps) just need an explicit “this is spam” report button.

> e.g. see notification, don’t interact with it directly, then manually navigate to and enter the app that notified.

I do that sometimes. Not that it matters, because rarely any notification seems to deep-link into an app these days.

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