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Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by jacquesm »

maxrecursion wrote: post #67
sergiomattei wrote: post #58

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You handed your 11 year old a smartphone? That’s brave. My parents handed me one when I was in 9th grade.

My kids are 6 and 2. Right now the wife and I are trying to hold off getting them phones until they are driving. I'm sure that could change when they're in middle school and high school, and whining because all their friends have phones. But, I'm going to try my best to hold the line.

I'd love that option, but highschool mandates a smartphone, go figure: let's give attention deficit teenagers an always on distraction device and then complain about how hard it is to keep them focused.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by Double_a_92 »

Freak_NL wrote: post #77
haolez wrote: post #26

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It's cool, but some apps (like food delivery apps) conflate all notifications into a single category, probably in an attemp to abuse the system.

I see the 'food delivery app' come up a few times in this thread. Do you really need an app to use such services in some countries? Whenever I want to order a meal for delivery I just go to the restaurant's website, or sometimes look at the list of available restaurants in Thuisbezorgd.nl (part of the company which owns Grubhub etc.) and then visit the restaurant website and order there. If there's something that nee…

It's a courtesy for the delivery person, so they don't have to ring and wait for you to get to the door. Instead you get a notification when they are getting close to your house (via GPS tracking).

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by drewg123 »

One of the things I hated about moving to iOS from Android is that the Garmin iOS app doesn't give you per-app controls over what notifications are pushed to the watch. At least on Android, I could easily control watch notifications per app, so that only "important" apps' notifications would buzz my watch. But on iOS, some random slack DM is going to wake me up on my days off..

So if I want to sleep in, I need to remember to both put my phone in "sleep focus" and either change the Garmin notification hours, or just disable bluetooth.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by rkagerer »

haolez wrote: post #26
root_axis wrote: post #7

One of the things I love about Android is the extremely granular controls on app notifications, it allows me to fine tune the disruption level of particular types of alerts or messages from app to app so that I'm only alerted to stuff I care about. edit: https://i.imgur.com/w3A9Bge.png

It's cool, but some apps (like food delivery apps) conflate all notifications into a single category, probably in an attemp to abuse the system.

And some apps (like Play Store) just have too many to wade through - pages and pages, with labels which in some cases aren't obvious as to what they do. The kitchen-sink overload is equally problematic.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by jacquesm »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #101
ryandrake wrote: post #74

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> But some of it, mostly associated with my kids schooling, is very hard to avoid. 10 emails per week about some school portal with 'an important message' that ends up being nonsense but you're not able to block it because one day an actually important message might show up. > Tech should serve us This problem isn't really the tech, it's the people behind these messages. Complain to them. You shouldn't be getting "OM…

> That decision is being made by a person who you should be able to find and share your concern with. Good point, and it generalizes to pretty much all the social problems "created by" tech. The technology is fine . Behind each misuse is a person or a group that commissioned said tech, and/or is applying it in malicious ways. Focusing on ills of technology, while ignoring the people wielding it for wrong, is just a d…

Yes, but good luck getting those people to see things your way.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by wholinator2 »

foooorsyth wrote: post #55
downWidOutaFite wrote: post #21

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Snapchat is like this, it's a communication app so you want the notifications on, but they flood it with marketing. And they refuse to use Android's notification "channels" to segment their notifications. Google should start enforcing that in their Play Store reviews.

Android’s notification channels API is clunky, and it’s a completely useless OS feature when there’s zero real spam enforcement at the Play Store level. I also just think it’s a weird leaky abstraction to bubble up to user space. I’m just imagining my mom looking at a notification channels area in settings. It’s a weird thing to ask users to conceptualize. Also it’s not something you can really enforce at review-time…

I just want to add that a "report spam notification" feature would be a godsend and is the single best idea I've heard this month. It would change the attention economy entirely! At least until app developers began running bot farms to report each other's apps and poison the models

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by wlesieutre »

tazjin wrote: post #48
wodenokoto wrote: post #40

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It's been asking me about these and from what it tells me on my phone I don't understand what they are getting at. But more importantly, how does it differentiate between "Your delivery has arrived" and "this weekend, 10% off all deliveries paid with mastercard from chase banks"

> how does it differentiate Probably through a pinky promise from the developers to call the right APIs.

Another piece is that all “time sensitive” notifications come with a button underneath to not let that app send time sensitive notifications anymore

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by drewg123 »

MichaelRo wrote: post #38

My kid (soon to be 11 years old) has this problem and is (almost) driving me nuts. There are three causes of this: 1) He's dumb. Will click and install on any crap he comes by. 2) He doesn't know to operate his phone. Every now and then I take his phone and turn off notifications for the apps I saw that popped them. #3: This one's mysterious to me as well. Somehow they (the notifications) get re-enabled back. I'm dis…

If its an iPhone, have your son add you as an emergency contact and enable overrides for text and phone.

I had the same problem with my son running his phone 24/7 in DND, and this helped a lot.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by Rebelgecko »

thfuran wrote: post #33
toomuchtodo wrote: post #16

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Push notifications are the next regulatory target after cookies.

I can't wait until I start getting bombarded with push notifications telling me I need to update my push notification consent settings.

We're basically already there. Every time I open snapchat it begs me to re-enable spam notifications

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by lolinder »

aidos wrote: post #89
lolinder wrote: post #75

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How is that even legal? School buses are provided in part as a service to low-income families. Who decided it was okay to require parents of middle schoolers to shell out for a smart phone for their kids?

As far as I can tell, someone has “digitised” the local buses by adding tracking and cashless payments to go along with the mobile app. They’ve also fragmented the services even more in the process since each bus company has their own version of the app (it’s just a skinning of the base app). It means I need to check back and forth between two apps to see which buses are on time. Naturally you can only buy a pass tha…

Oh, I was assuming a US-style school bus system where a separate yellow bus goes around and picks up the kids. It sounds like your kid rides a regular public transit bus to get to school? It's still unfair to have that system be inaccessible without a smartphone, but it's not as completely incomprehensible.

It sounds like they definitely need better UX, and the buses around here very much accept cash still (or special tokens if you buy ahead).

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