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Have you ever conducted a simple experiment to prove you were not just lucid dreaming? It is a pretty easily falsifiable claim
Easy. Have someone go to the other room. OBE yourself into that room and see how many fingers they're holding up. Confirm if you were correct.
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> Not that I think this is a real coherent position worth discussing. Why is it not a "real coherent position worth discussing"?
Because to me it seems that if it were made consistent, it would extend into solipsism. And if it does, I don't think it's worth discussing then.
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This makes for an interesting philosophy discussion, but is not a useful observation about physics.
Not even that. There is really nothing to discuss if the only thing I believed is that I exist, and anything else is potentially a hallucination. Even p ^ ¬p could be true, perhaps I'm just hallucinating the rule that says it isn't.
That doesn’t mean you can’t explore anything within that
In fact a lot of eastern philosophical and religious traditions focus exactly on that, how exploring your inner self is a valid and very good way of discovering reality
Not sure why you fixate on “nothing to discuss” or “conversation ending”
Neither the ideas above nor solipsism are dead ends, there’s plenty of exploration to be had within those
Now if you don’t like them or want to dismiss them, you are free to do so, that’s your own personal take, but that’s not an objective absolute truth
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I think consciousness emerge from physical processes. Imho consciousness is necessary to have a sense of self, and especially of self through time. This imply any living being capable of improvising new strategies (not randomly through chance and genetic lottery) is 'conscious' in the same sense that we are.
Not rejecting your comment. Just a note that consciousness does not need a sense of self You can absolutely be conscious without having a sense of self
Do some research, you can get into meditation or find a safe way to experience with psychedelics
Also, it’s a natural part of our own human experience. Babies are born without a sense of self, which mainly develops over the first few years of existence
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You can see what's going on on your roof perhaps? I'm very interested in the subject and spend a lot of time meditating but have yet to experience anything one might consider mystical, outside of the use of psychedelics.
Gateway tapes but that book I referenced in another post here really works. Just takes a few nights. Essentially you go to sleep with intent to exit. Wake up six hours later. Get out of bed for a few minutes. Go back and practise exits as you get yourself in the mind awake body asleep state. Doing it straight from meditation is quite advanced, takes decades but can be achieved for many in weeks with binaural beats th…
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I think that there is such a groundswell of articles about 'consciousness', right now, is because of the surge in AI and GPT. If this is true. >"state arising from the physical processes" Then nothing prevents silicon from eventually also being 'conscious'. Carbon or Silicon, they are both a physical processes. Electrical potentials. So the section of population that just can't abide that AI could be 'conscious' are…
> the section of population that just can't abide that AI could be 'conscious' are finding all these more esoteric arguments about the universe being 'consciousness' Panpsychism asserts that everything is conscious, which means that AI or silicon would already be conscious, which basically means there is no special human spark If anything, if you are trying to prove that AI is not conscious, you would be absolutely r…
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Saying it again because I'm seeing it again. GPT accusations, especially unsubstantiated GPT accusations, should be automatically flagged. There are better ways to disagree with a user, better ways to report GPT written spam comments, and better ways to shut down a conversation that you don't want to have. And, on a personal level, it really makes it seem like you don't know what you're talking about when you resort…
Sorry, it was a sarcastic joke (perhaps /s tag was warranted). I don't believe nico is literally an LLM - ChatGPT would have more knowledge of physics and philosophy. However, I do believe nico is a troll, in the sense of deliberately extending a discussion by exaggerating ambiguity, false challenges, pretend misunderstandings, real ignorance of the subject, bland blatherings and faux pedantic quibbles over the defin…
Wow, look how constructive that was for conversation! /s
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>There's no evidence that consciousness is anything other than a state arising from the physical processes in our bodies Actually this is backward, "I think therefore I am". There's no reason to believe consciousness is a state arising from a physical process, our experience of consciousness precedes our experience of sensory input and therefore the physical world. There is more evidence for the reality of consciousn…
There are plenty of reasons to believe it's physical. I mean, in some ways I can't believe I'm having to write "there are no ghosts" to a technically minded community. If consciousness was not physical then where is it? Why would it switch on and off with physical changes to brains? Why would you be able to get altered states of consciousness with chemicals, disease and age? Why would be be able to marry some conscio…
However I don't believe that consciousness is a property of a thing. Rather, it must be like sunlight, and each neuron acts as a lens to collect and shape that light.