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Tire dust makes up the majority of ocean microplastics

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Re: Tire dust makes up the majority of ocean microplastics

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Post by stavros »

idiotsecant wrote: post #9
stavros wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do they? How does that work? Why does it matter in what way the friction on the axle is generated? Whether I am grinding two metal on metal to generate friction or I'm charging a coil shouldn't matter to how much dust the tire generates, for the same amount of deceleration, should it? Unless people are just slamming on their brakes and leaving tire marks when they have the option of coming to a gentle stop, which I d…

Parent post brought up brake dust, which is not what this article is about. EVs definitely put less wear on brakes but that has nothing to do with microplastics.

I think it got edited, it said "tire dust" when I made my comment (unless I'm mistaken, but I did check twice to make sure).

EDIT: Looks like I just misread the "tire dust" on the first sentence and filled it in the second sentence as well, huh.

Re: Tire dust makes up the majority of ocean microplastics

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Post by bitdivision »

stavros wrote: post #3
modeless wrote: post #2

I'm glad people are looking at how to reduce the impact of tire dust. I expect we can make big improvements because it's not something we've optimized for yet. Not mentioned in the article is that EVs also dramatically reduce brake dust because the brakes are hardly used compared to an ICE car.

Do they? How does that work? Why does it matter in what way the friction on the axle is generated? Whether I am grinding two metal on metal to generate friction or I'm charging a coil shouldn't matter to how much dust the tire generates, for the same amount of deceleration, should it? Unless people are just slamming on their brakes and leaving tire marks when they have the option of coming to a gentle stop, which I d…

I think GP is referring to the dust generated by brake pads. Since EVs can use regenerative braking, there should be less use of the brake pads, and therefore less brake dust.

I would assume that the tyre dust will remain the same

Re: Tire dust makes up the majority of ocean microplastics

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Post by [deleted] »

stavros wrote: post #3
modeless wrote: post #2

I'm glad people are looking at how to reduce the impact of tire dust. I expect we can make big improvements because it's not something we've optimized for yet. Not mentioned in the article is that EVs also dramatically reduce brake dust because the brakes are hardly used compared to an ICE car.

Do they? How does that work? Why does it matter in what way the friction on the axle is generated? Whether I am grinding two metal on metal to generate friction or I'm charging a coil shouldn't matter to how much dust the tire generates, for the same amount of deceleration, should it? Unless people are just slamming on their brakes and leaving tire marks when they have the option of coming to a gentle stop, which I d…

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Re: Tire dust makes up the majority of ocean microplastics

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Post by inferiorhuman »

idiotsecant wrote: post #9
stavros wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do they? How does that work? Why does it matter in what way the friction on the axle is generated? Whether I am grinding two metal on metal to generate friction or I'm charging a coil shouldn't matter to how much dust the tire generates, for the same amount of deceleration, should it? Unless people are just slamming on their brakes and leaving tire marks when they have the option of coming to a gentle stop, which I d…

Parent post brought up brake dust, which is not what this article is about. EVs definitely put less wear on brakes but that has nothing to do with microplastics.

That said brake dust is an environmental problem.

Re: Tire dust makes up the majority of ocean microplastics

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Post by kylebenzle »

I worked on a phd for 4 years looking into this problem indirectly and for a decade at Ohio State they have had working solutions to the tire dust issue but it is IMPOSSIBLE to get funding.

A Billion dollar industry and NO ONE cares about cleaning it up if it means increasing costs by 5% or more.

It has been WELL KNOWN for 50 years! We are basically aerosolizing carbon in MASSIVE amounts right where we live and work. Almost like we are purposefully manufacturing microplastics and dumping them in the air as fast as we can. Imagine taking every new tire and just grinding it down into a fine dust then blowing in into the air and dumping it into the rivers. That is what we are doing, AS FAST AS WE CAN.

(For anyone that cares, the solution is natural rubber, which costs slight more than synthetic rubber but lasts longer. So its better for consumers, cheaper all around, and 1,000x better for the environment but Goodyear, Firestone and Michelin flat out refuse to fund research or even block innovation in natural rubber.

[1] https://hcs.osu.edu/our-people/dr-katrina-cornish

Re: Tire dust makes up the majority of ocean microplastics

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Post by kylebenzle »

modeless wrote: post #2

I'm glad people are looking at how to reduce the impact of tire dust. I expect we can make big improvements because it's not something we've optimized for yet. Not mentioned in the article is that EVs also dramatically reduce brake dust because the brakes are hardly used compared to an ICE car.

I worked on this indirectly for 4 as as part of a pdh at Ohio State. We have had the solution to this problem since then but because natural rubber is slightly less profitable for the companies (it lasts too long and it too high quality) they use synthetic rubber.

Tire dust is a problem becuase we WANT it to be a problem the solution is available but it is impossible to get funding because the tire companies don't want to use it.

Thats it, that is how capitalism works. Make millions upon millions of people sick so that 3 companies can make slightly higher profits.

[1] https://hcs.osu.edu/our-people/dr-katrina-cornish

Re: Tire dust makes up the majority of ocean microplastics

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Post by chmod600 »

kylebenzle wrote: post #15

I worked on a phd for 4 years looking into this problem indirectly and for a decade at Ohio State they have had working solutions to the tire dust issue but it is IMPOSSIBLE to get funding. A Billion dollar industry and NO ONE cares about cleaning it up if it means increasing costs by 5% or more. It has been WELL KNOWN for 50 years! We are basically aerosolizing carbon in MASSIVE amounts right where we live and work.…

Chemically speaking, how is natural rubber different from plastic while still having such similar properties?

Re: Tire dust makes up the majority of ocean microplastics

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Post by blackoil »

kylebenzle wrote: post #15

I worked on a phd for 4 years looking into this problem indirectly and for a decade at Ohio State they have had working solutions to the tire dust issue but it is IMPOSSIBLE to get funding. A Billion dollar industry and NO ONE cares about cleaning it up if it means increasing costs by 5% or more. It has been WELL KNOWN for 50 years! We are basically aerosolizing carbon in MASSIVE amounts right where we live and work.…

Would it be still cheaper if all tires are made from natural rubber. We shouldn't have old forests destroyed for rubber plantations.

Re: Tire dust makes up the majority of ocean microplastics

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Post by _dark_matter_ »

kylebenzle wrote: post #17
modeless wrote: post #2

I'm glad people are looking at how to reduce the impact of tire dust. I expect we can make big improvements because it's not something we've optimized for yet. Not mentioned in the article is that EVs also dramatically reduce brake dust because the brakes are hardly used compared to an ICE car.

I worked on this indirectly for 4 as as part of a pdh at Ohio State. We have had the solution to this problem since then but because natural rubber is slightly less profitable for the companies (it lasts too long and it too high quality) they use synthetic rubber. Tire dust is a problem becuase we WANT it to be a problem the solution is available but it is impossible to get funding because the tire companies don't wa…

Can you link to this research? Is there any tire company using this technology? If the people cared we could either pay a premium for them, or regulate
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