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Decentralized Artificial Intelligence

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Re: Decentralized Artificial Intelligence

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Chaos engineering may sound cool and cyberpunky but it'd not what we need right now for AI safety. Unless you guys want to have your kids tortured by moloch

AI safety is a joke.

Indeed. It makes sociology look like a rigorous discipline.

Re: Decentralized Artificial Intelligence

#12
> The academic literature is ridden with examples of state of the art (SOTA) models that weren’t reproducible

Probably too late, but Elsevier could fix its bad reputation if they required relevant academic papers to submit reproducible code and subjected them to automated testing.

Re: Decentralized Artificial Intelligence

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Blockchains are designed to avoid double spending in a low trust environment.

Double spending isn't one of the problems in AI. This article is absolute nonsense

> a cryptographically secure, decentralized ledger is the only solution to making AI safer

Re: Decentralized Artificial Intelligence

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> The academic literature is ridden with examples of state of the art (SOTA) models that weren’t reproducible Probably too late, but Elsevier could fix its bad reputation if they required relevant academic papers to submit reproducible code and subjected them to automated testing.

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Re: Decentralized Artificial Intelligence

#16
It's valuable to examine the challenges in machine learning without assuming decentralization as a solution:

> High Cost and Resource Requirements

For training and local inferencing use, quantization may help. Problem becomes local via quantization vs. remote full tensor use. Solution may involve distributed inferencing. Techniques like model distillation can help create smaller, more efficient models for inferencing.

> Data Privacy

For training, some private datasets may be needed. For local inferencing use, determining what needs to be inferenced locally vs. what needs to be run remotely may be useful. Problem becomes privacy scope mapped onto a marketplace to mitigate high cost and resource requirements. Techniques like model explainability (versioning) and robustness testing can help build trust in AI systems.

Complying with data privacy regulations and ensuring that AI systems adhere to legal and ethical standards can be a challenge, especially in international contexts.

> Incentives

Instead of assuming the solution when considering the problem, we assume there is an incentive to either simply train a model or use one. Problem becomes financial rewards, data access agreements, or even altruistic motivations.

> Stale Data and Reproducibility

Both the code and datasets for training the model need to be updated. Inferencing needs RAG, so the augmented reference data needs to be updated as well. Anything updated might need some type of revision control, especially if that data (or code) results in poor output. Labeling data and knowledge transfer are other problems that needs revision control.

> Interoperability

We can assume a marketplace for a ML train/inference platform is needed. We have HuggingFace, for example. The problem here is likely based on the tendency for datasets to be private, such as in the case of Llama 2. Models contain the "essence" of the dataset, but we still need RAG to ground the responses.

The use of the Lightning Network combined with a proposed 402 response code is an interesting concept for addressing some of these challenges: https://github.com/lightninglabs/aperture

It could provide a decentralized and efficient way to facilitate payments for dataset access, training, and inferencing to incentivize data sharing and model usage.

Re: Decentralized Artificial Intelligence

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This seems half-baked and there are numerous faulty assumptions in this article. For example, Bitcoin miners cannot computer gradients. Their ASICs can only calculate double-sha256. Additionally, the premise of sending gradients of models trained on private data while retaining privacy seems problematic. While you likely can't reverse it to calculate the batch's contents, it is leaky. Further, gradient calculations a…

This was my reaction too. How do you “prove” my gradient is valid? Well perhaps one way is you could have another LLM take a look at the data you are submitting and have it predict p(useful|not useful) , and create an incentive for users to generate authentic data

Ian (Goodfellow), is that you ?

Re: Decentralized Artificial Intelligence

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI safety is a joke.

A way for the humanities to get some of the CS STEM funding by writing sci-fi. Edit: The number of AI safety sessions I’ve joined where the speakers have no real AI experience talking about potentially bad futures, based on zero CS experience and little ‘evidence’ beyond existing sci-fi books and anecdotes, have left me very jaded on the subject as a ‘discipline’. I believe it comes down to three groups: AI researche…

Yes, there is a lot of bunk AI safety discussions. But there are legitimate concerns as well. AI is close to human level. Logically they become dangerous, specially if given autonomy and bad goals. Many of the accredited researchers recognize this.

There is some level that you can discuss AI safety without AI expertise (specially as of a few years ago where everything as so uncertain), but I think currently you need a lot of awareness of physical and computational limits. Taking those limits into account, we're clearly very close to human level intelligences that can scale in unpredictable ways (probably not "grey goo" ways), but potentially dangerous ways under various scenarios, including manipulating our digital lives if there are humongous AI systems controlling everything as we are in danger of getting into as a society.

I think there's also a lot of elitism toward humanities implied that you should try to get past too. Humanities have a lot of insights about human nature, even if not all of it is reliable. See philosophers like Derek Parfit.

(in case you're wondering, I've implemented a few AIs mostly RL algorithms)

Re: Decentralized Artificial Intelligence

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> a cryptographically secure, decentralized ledger is the only solution to making AI safer.

This article manages to say that a consensus algorithm is the answer to problems with AI without using the word "consensus" a single time. Probably because it doesn't even consider that's what blockchains are.

The article talks about using "proof of gradient" to do inference instead of crunching hashes. But this is nonsense, because inference takes inputs and produces a deterministic output. There's no mining. Checking the work takes the same resources as doing the work. Proof of work output can be checked with essentially a single hash.

As much as this would be wonderful in a universe where it's possible, it's simply not possible. The author throws out a bunch of buzz words for things that sound similar in AI and crypto and tries to make them sound like they are interchangeable. They're not.

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