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MyPowerbank hacks Santander bikes so London's homeless can charge their phones

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post #6

I think they would rather leave some USB port available than let you wear down their chains

Considering there's negligible tension on the chain when pedalling backwards it's not really going to have much of an effect. And the added gear ("jockey/pulley wheel") is plastic.

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#22
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Average rent in London is over $2,000 per month. You don’t have to be a bum to be homeless.

and median income in London appears to be ~41K GBP, so that rent would be about 80% of the income. No wonder there's lots of homelessness.

If you can’t buy boots, you can just buy the laces, so there’s no excuse to avoid pulling yourself up by your bootstraps #sarcasm

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#23
post #3

A wall socket can be found just about anywhere, if you really need power quick there are fast charging powerbanks.

It is illegal to use a socket without permission and there aren't that many sockets accessible outdoor.

“So how did you end up here in prison?”

“I was charging my phone :(“

Re: MyPowerbank hacks Santander bikes so London's homeless can charge their phones

#25

What’s the advantage of using those bicycles, as opposed to just having a crank on it? Pedaling a bicycle backwards isn’t really ergonomic.

Regular humans can put out ~100 watts on a dual foot crank (like a bicycle) for hours. Since a phone battery is ~12 Watt-hours, you can collect energy for a full phone charge in ~10 mins (but you'll need a special buffer battery, since few lithium cells can charge that fast).

Yet on a single hand crank, even 20 watts and you'll get tired pretty quick.

Part of that is that leg muscles are bigger. Part of it is that you're used to walking or standing for long periods of time. Part of it is that with a dual crank you aren't putting useless effort into holding the device up and holding the weight of your own arms up.

End result: Hand cranks are useless unless you only need tiny amounts of energy out of a human.

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#26
While I applaud the intent to bring the issue of homelessness to the forefront of the media, I feel like this project is more about gaining self attention for the project rather than solving the issue all together. The ~20GBP for the 18650 or 27500 batteries, the probably ~5GBP of the PCB needed, ~15GBP for the chain hardware and magnets, you are looking for a >40GBP to put this together, you can today get a <10GBP USB hand crank, and you don’t have to use the words “hack” and name “Santander” on your blog. I’f there was intent, then a volume buy, with a go-fund-me campaign, you can get them hand cranks for <2GBP in volume, and it would have had a real impact… I hate it when serious matters are used just to draw attention to one self, IMHO.

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#27

What’s the advantage of using those bicycles, as opposed to just having a crank on it? Pedaling a bicycle backwards isn’t really ergonomic.

This is an art/design project by an undergraduate student - not necessarily a serious product. But I wonder if cycling backwards is still easier than using a hand crank

I made a bidirectional pedalling exercise bike. Turns out there isn't much difference between forwards and backwards, but you do need to adjust the seat back by about 6 inches if you want maximal power output for backwards pedalling.

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#28
Homeless people are known for having so much free time and energy that an hour of pedalling is a better solution than the two cents of wall power needed to charge things while they sit and correspond with potential employers, deal with paperwork, pay bills, figure out their kid’s school plans, and working out how to keep their healthcare without a full address.

I dunno… this “idea” feels so ignorant that it’s basically offensive.

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#29

Nice prototype, but it doesn't actually work does it? Turns out that to transfer any significant torque (and therefore energy), you need either a larger gear, or a larger subtended angle, or a higher chain tension - and ideally all three. Since this device has none of those, I can be pretty confident that even after hours of pedalling, you won't have a charged phone. In fact, the video even shows the chain jumping sh…

Probably also can't use magnets that can slide along the axis of power transfer... there's no way this works as designed.

I do like the base idea of "why not just use the machines that are already idle everywhere" though.

Re: MyPowerbank hacks Santander bikes so London's homeless can charge their phones

#30

What’s the advantage of using those bicycles, as opposed to just having a crank on it? Pedaling a bicycle backwards isn’t really ergonomic.

Bicycles are among the most efficient energy conversion systems human-kind has ever invented .. the difference between a single lever (which, after all, is still an option with the existing design) and a bicycle lever/gear system, means all the difference in the world when the calories are, already, a regular daily concern for the target user. Plus, it gives the bikes utility when they're not being rented, since the…

This doesn't use the gear system though. (aside from the large front sprocket driving the smaller one on the device)

I'm quite surprised it can be built for £3, unless the battery is incredibly small.

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