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ChatGPT-4 significantly increased performance of business consultants

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Re: ChatGPT-4 significantly increased performance of business consultants

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Guilty! GPT is the best colleague I ever had, but boy does it speak. You can't just copy paste, but if you consider its responses as input I find myself less dependent on other senior consultants sharing their insights. It also makes me more confident in my assessments and deliveries.

Purpose of technology is to enhance our performance, GPT is very much doing so - but with great powers comes great responsibility.

Re: ChatGPT-4 significantly increased performance of business consultants

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Programmers don't think that, though, or least not all the time. You could say similar things about Stack Overflow, and yet we use it.

Stack Overflow responses are well known to be misranked. I’ve heard a rule of thumb that the actual correct answer is typically about #3.

And #1 is usually broken or wrong, due to its (typically) old age. The longer it has to accumulate upvotes the less relevant it becomes.

Re: ChatGPT-4 significantly increased performance of business consultants

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LLMs are stunningly good at language tasks: almost all of what us old-timers called NLP is just crushed these days. Summarization, Q&A, sentiment, the list goes on and on. Truly remarkable stuff. And where there isn’t a bright line around “fact”, and where it doesn’t need to come together like a Pynchon novel, the generative stuff is smoking hot: short-form fiction, opinion pieces, product copy? Massive productivity…

I don't buy it. LLMs cannot do anything reliably, no matter how constrained the domain. Their outputs are of acceptable quality when back to a person who will use their human brain to paper over the cracks. People can recognize when the output is garbage, figure out minor ambiguities, and subconsciously correct minor factual or logical errors. But I would never feed LLM results directly into another computer program…

So your other reply got flagged which I thought was a little harsh (I mean you were pushing it but who am I to talk).

If you’re not convinced about sentiment analysis on e.g. LLaMA 2, I think you’re wrong, but maybe I’m wrong.

If you’re up for it, let’s run an expedient, I’ve got a GPU or two in my living room. This thread seems like a pretty great test set actually.

Maybe we both learn something richer than some benchmark stat?

Re: ChatGPT-4 significantly increased performance of business consultants

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I don't buy it. LLMs cannot do anything reliably, no matter how constrained the domain. Their outputs are of acceptable quality when back to a person who will use their human brain to paper over the cracks. People can recognize when the output is garbage, figure out minor ambiguities, and subconsciously correct minor factual or logical errors. But I would never feed LLM results directly into another computer program…

So your other reply got flagged which I thought was a little harsh (I mean you were pushing it but who am I to talk). If you’re not convinced about sentiment analysis on e.g. LLaMA 2, I think you’re wrong, but maybe I’m wrong. If you’re up for it, let’s run an expedient, I’ve got a GPU or two in my living room. This thread seems like a pretty great test set actually. Maybe we both learn something richer than some ben…

I too thought flagging the comment was a bit too harsh so I tried vouching for it, but it didn't get resurrected.

I note that the comment is [dead] not [flagged] [dead], so maybe its state has to do with something else than the content of the comment? Just [dead] is, I think, shadowban.

I checked the poster's comments, but since it's a new account there's very few of them and I can't determine the reason for the [dead] from them.

Re: ChatGPT-4 significantly increased performance of business consultants

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Man, write drunk, but edit sober.

Is the post that bad? What does it say about me if I didn’t think that it was that bad?

It is an honest and unfiltered take.

My theory is that honest takes should be written on first take without revisions and without edits. The moment I massage a statement to be more coherent I am compromising on my honesty.

Re: ChatGPT-4 significantly increased performance of business consultants

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> their job was to be paid tons of money writing reports that support whatever the exec of the moment wanted to hear Sounds like an extremely nice job.

Not really.

Well, depends on how much money is "tons of money".

Re: ChatGPT-4 significantly increased performance of business consultants

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Ha it's fun to dunk on management consultants but I think the magic is they are like pop music producers. Somehow they're able to make the C suite hoover up LLM shovelware the same way top producers can take super obvious music and sell I V vi IV but when we try the same chords it's uninspired and no one wants to listen to it

It’s insane that people think producing pop music is easy. Competing on the pop music market is a cutthroat business with a lot of competition and the good ones get their price back in gold. When Scorpions wanted to be resurrected they hired Desmond Child to produce them and he absolutely crushed. These people are very good at what they do and there are very few of them.

There's the story of David Cassidy. He got cast in the Partridge Family (the rock band family) largely because of his looks and his mother (Shirley Jones). His voice was set to be dubbed for the songs, but it turned out he had a golden throat. (The rest of the cast, besides Jones, could neither play nor sing.)

The producers hired top shelf songwriters to write the songs, and several hit albums were produced. (It really is good music, despite being bubblegum.)

Cassidy, however, decided that he had songwriting talent and chafed. He eventually left the show, and with the megabucks he earned on the show, produced albums. They're terrible.

The same thing happened to the Monkees.

Re: ChatGPT-4 significantly increased performance of business consultants

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Ha it's fun to dunk on management consultants but I think the magic is they are like pop music producers. Somehow they're able to make the C suite hoover up LLM shovelware the same way top producers can take super obvious music and sell I V vi IV but when we try the same chords it's uninspired and no one wants to listen to it

It’s insane that people think producing pop music is easy. Competing on the pop music market is a cutthroat business with a lot of competition and the good ones get their price back in gold. When Scorpions wanted to be resurrected they hired Desmond Child to produce them and he absolutely crushed. These people are very good at what they do and there are very few of them.

Check out the movie "The Wrecking Crew". It's about studio musicians fixing, rewriting, playing, and singing the music created by the "bands" you've all heard of, so the albums were good.

Then, the bands belatedly had to learn how to sing and play in order to go on tour.

I think about The Wrecking Crew whenever I hear the sob stories about bands being underpaid and the producers reaping the lion's share of the profits.

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