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Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant

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Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant

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Post by SSLy »

sleiben wrote: post #82
kentrado wrote: post #75

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As a black person, the switch from master to main, is the most condescendingly racist thing that has been widely adopted in tech. It says "black people are too stupid to understand context. We (small group of white people) must protect them against words." Another thing it does, is that it promotes the identification of blacks as slaves when all races have been enslaved (and continue to this day).

100% with you here! Great arguments edit: It also reminds me of men playing feminist and stepping (aggressively) up to protect women’s rights. I heard from my female colleagues that they hate this since it implies that women are like children and aren’t able or mature enough to speak up for themselves. So the «strong men» need now to protect them…

I don't live in USA, but this very week one of such staunch feminists was ousted as a groomer and violent partner. https://www.wirtualnemedia.pl/artykul/gargamel-jakub-chuptys...

Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant

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Post by SSLy »

thefounder wrote: post #90
krona wrote: post #52

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Except its a very common adjective, so any time you refer to it you have to say 'main branch' otherwise you've introduced unnecessary ambiguity. Whereas 'master' refers to one thing and one thing only in most contexts (unless you're selling bedrooms).

>> Whereas 'master' refers to one thing and one thing only in most contexts. What contexts? Should we also ban "master" key because it implies it enslaves the other keys?

I think krona is not arguing against using `master` as default branch name.

Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant

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Post by anon373839 »

morelisp wrote: post #101
anon373839 wrote: post #88

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I don’t think you’re being totally honest about the double standard of this. Imagine that some people (with benign intentions) wanted to capitalize White to claim a cultural identity. After all, most whites in the US have lost the distinct European identities their ancestors had. Do you think this movement would be met with acceptance and support? I think these kinds of double standards are what make the culture wars…

> Imagine that some people (with benign intentions) wanted to capitalize White to claim a cultural identity. After all, most whites in the US have lost the distinct European identities their ancestors had. Do you think this movement would be met with acceptance and support? "Acceptance and support" is subjective, but this is a fairly common orthographic style which has been discussed at length. https://www.theatlanti…

Wasn’t able to read the article because of the paywall. Is this an example of a media outlet also capitalizing “white”? If so, that does weigh against my claim of a double standard.

Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant

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Post by Zetobal »

roenxi wrote: post #42
sleiben wrote: post #40

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The «master» to «main» change was totally unnecessary and B.S. imho. Even 15 years ago, when I started my professional journey (in Germany) there were a lot of people who were gay, trans and so on in the dev community … and nobody cared about it. We were all passioned about technologies and respected each other based on commitment/engagement/skill level. At the end most of the true full blood developers were always «…

But it is also a technical improvement. main is easier to type. It takes a lot of effort to overcome the inertia of a default, so even if the reasoning is a bit suspect the outcome is going to be a win eventually.

Coming from an electronics background I hate it.

Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant

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Post by tapland »

about3fitty wrote: post #94
kentrado wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a black person, the switch from master to main, is the most condescendingly racist thing that has been widely adopted in tech. It says "black people are too stupid to understand context. We (small group of white people) must protect them against words." Another thing it does, is that it promotes the identification of blacks as slaves when all races have been enslaved (and continue to this day).

I would like to ask: do you have a position on the following? - an allowlist/blocklist to replace whitelist/blacklist -primary/replica to replace master/slave Also, how old are you? I’m not young but not old and I don’t associate racial overtones to the latter terms

Is replica used that way? That can't be

Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant

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Post by dangus »

about3fitty wrote: post #94
kentrado wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a black person, the switch from master to main, is the most condescendingly racist thing that has been widely adopted in tech. It says "black people are too stupid to understand context. We (small group of white people) must protect them against words." Another thing it does, is that it promotes the identification of blacks as slaves when all races have been enslaved (and continue to this day).

I would like to ask: do you have a position on the following? - an allowlist/blocklist to replace whitelist/blacklist -primary/replica to replace master/slave Also, how old are you? I’m not young but not old and I don’t associate racial overtones to the latter terms

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Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant

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Post by rewmie »

sleiben wrote: post #40
racked wrote: post #13

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The «master» to «main» change was totally unnecessary and B.S. imho. Even 15 years ago, when I started my professional journey (in Germany) there were a lot of people who were gay, trans and so on in the dev community … and nobody cared about it. We were all passioned about technologies and respected each other based on commitment/engagement/skill level. At the end most of the true full blood developers were always «…

> The «master» to «main» change was totally unnecessary and B.S. imho.

If I recall correctly, the point of reflecting upon the usage of specific terms was not that every single person thought it was B.S. but that a minority might feel negatively impacted by them, and it took no trouble at all to accommodate them by switching to less charged terms.

Basically it's the same argument behind not swearing at the workspace.

Were you negatively impacted by replacing references to "master/slave" or "blacklist" with terms like "primary/secondary" or "allowlist"? I hear a lot of people whining about these but I'm yet to hear any coherent argument against it.

It's also telling that this dead horse is being flogged in a discussion on the US Federal Government looking into recurring accusations of racial bigotry.

Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant

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Post by tomjen3 »

threeseed wrote: post #98
tomjen3 wrote: post #76

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You don't speak for everyone in the technology industry. And you don't get to choose what everyone will or should do. Therefore you really need to be tolerant of people's different versions of "truth" and assume that they are acting in good faith.

>Therefore you really need to be tolerant of people's different versions of "truth" and assume that they are acting in good faith.

Only a total fool would assume something is true you know not to be true.

Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant

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Post by tjpnz »

roenxi wrote: post #42
sleiben wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The «master» to «main» change was totally unnecessary and B.S. imho. Even 15 years ago, when I started my professional journey (in Germany) there were a lot of people who were gay, trans and so on in the dev community … and nobody cared about it. We were all passioned about technologies and respected each other based on commitment/engagement/skill level. At the end most of the true full blood developers were always «…

But it is also a technical improvement. main is easier to type. It takes a lot of effort to overcome the inertia of a default, so even if the reasoning is a bit suspect the outcome is going to be a win eventually.

Replacing one well known default with another non-retroactively increases cognitive load. At that point it being easier to type is meaningless.
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